they were correct that that stuff does lead to increased interest in non-christian religious ideas. they were wrong (and offensive/dangerous) to conflate non-christian religion with evil or devil worship.
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Replying to @danlistensto @QiaochuYuan
Well, chaos magic in particular is evil and devil worship tho
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Replying to @aphercotropist @QiaochuYuan
nah, you can just as easily use Christian saints as anything else in a chaos magick practice
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Replying to @danlistensto @QiaochuYuan
I mean you *can*, but chaos magic kinda explicitly has the destruction of all barriers, including any moral ones as a core part of its methodology. So, according to chaos magic, why not summon demons?
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Replying to @aphercotropist @QiaochuYuan
seems like a misunderstanding to me. it's an instrumental approach, not an ethical one. the usual answer to "why not summon demons?" still applies. because demons are probably not the kind of business partners you ought to work with.
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Replying to @danlistensto @QiaochuYuan
Nah, just a different conception of ethics which doesn't accept a division between the instrumental and the ethical. In trying to be amoral, it becomes immoral; there isn't an Archimedean metaframe, and chaos magic settles into a sort of libertarianism in its attempt to be one
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Replying to @aphercotropist @QiaochuYuan
in my reading, the amoral stance is not an abdication of ethics, just an acknowledgment of domain separation. chaos magic can be used for any ethical end, because it's a tool, not a moral philosophy. the practicioner does not lose their normal ethical and social obligations.
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Replying to @danlistensto @QiaochuYuan
If I write a manual on interrogation, and I include a chapter on torture, and include torture devices among the tools of the interrogator, among other methods and tools like polygraphs and suggestion techniques, then "torture is just a tool" doesn't make this any less immoral
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Replying to @aphercotropist @QiaochuYuan
you've lost the plot here. the right analogy is to a pliers you can use it for pulling out stripped screws or for pulling out finger nails.
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Except the intent of chaos magic is to summon tools that have their own agency. Magicians believe they can control them; Christians disagree.pic.twitter.com/UkvbB8eVz1
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What is the stance of Christians on golems - kosher or no?
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69
Christians hate it when you defend your ghetto from anti-Semitic attacks and pogroms.
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