This was my experience with judo and martial arts. I remember arriving early to class one day with my instructor and shooting hoops for half an hour without a single basket. Senior student walked in and did it first shot. Sensei was a stubborn bastard who loved judo.
I interpret the gains of fighting mostly in terms of expanding the "fuck off" circle - the range of people you can comfortably tell to fuck off without worrying that it might escalate to a physical confrontation.
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