minimum viable school replacement is access to a library, a forest, and a person who loves you
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @goblinodds
Most of the anti-school stuff I see on here seems to be based on the assumption that families and communities are going to step in and fill in the gaps for fundamental things we take for granted, like literacy. They will, for middle class kids.
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @QiaochuYuan
true but problems like "kid has insufficient access to a caring adult bc mom has 3 jobs" can be solved in ways other than herding a bunch of kids into a building, segregating them by age and boring them for 12 years
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Replying to @goblinodds @QiaochuYuan
What would you recommend? Something that is scalable and also available to children with poor, busy and checked out parents.
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Idea: let kids challenge the need for further schooling with exams - if they can demonstrate a basic level of reading, writing, arithmetic, and some basic facts about the world, they can forgo the need for school. Should be passable by any diligent child - not just for brights.
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @QiaochuYuan
i'll take it over the current system!
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Replying to @goblinodds @QiaochuYuan
I guess the root of it is, I am not convinced that complex, mass society is possible without some kind of mass schooling. Children with diligent, caring adults with time and money to spare in their lives *have* better options.
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Certain skills are not fun to learn but everyone needs them. That suggests scalability, with special attention directed towards stragglers to help them along.
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @QiaochuYuan
i actually don't think there are many skills that *everyone* needs, and of the skills that most people should probably have, schools no longer teach most of them (cooking, first aid, financial management...)
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i have a whole separate beef with how the govt keeps your kids for 12 years under the pretense of "education" and "ignorance of law excuses no one" and yet they don't teach the first thing about how to navigate taxes, employment laws, social services, vehicle licenses...
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Sure, but we're talking about the difference between reform vs. burning the system to the ground. And the fact is, those are the boring kinds of things that most self directed learners don't pick up until forced to - not a fun day in the forest, or cozy one in the library.
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @QiaochuYuan
not sure what part of schools is worth keeping tbh i mean, do schools provide adults who are on average qualified in the subjects they teach AND on average aren't psychologically abusive AND when they fail to meet these criteria are easily fireable? not to my knowledge
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Replying to @goblinodds @QiaochuYuan
I think school could be reduced by several years, several hours a day, and probably a couple hours a week. I think challenge exams should be issued. But there is a cohesive skill set that is boring, unglamorous and necessary that I think many children will not get otherwise.
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