-It's not your argument. I think sympathy for moralism is fundamentally the idea of the christian influenced thinkers. Basically it goes: nihilism / solipsism is a dangerous departure, so adhere to what is already in place. I think that departure can be a necessary risk.
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Replying to @Dailan__M @michaelcurzi and
To expand on why it can be necessary: morality does not care about your desires and impulses. So it will never address them beyond "ignore/suppress that thought." That has to be done by the individual, and it involves thinking through that dark shit without judgement. eg Therapy.
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Replying to @Dailan__M @nosilverv and
> morality does not care about your desires and impulses. So it will never address them beyond "ignore/suppress that thought." A moral principle I believe in, which contradicts this account of morality: 'Ought implies can'. If you can't do something, it's not obligatory.
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Replying to @michaelcurzi @Dailan__M and
I think humans can't live well while heavily 'ignoring/suppresssing that thought'. We can do it if we have to, but it's not a 'good-world-compatible' way to be, at least not permanently. Reliably doing and being good requires self-awareness. So no ignoring & suppressing forever
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Replying to @michaelcurzi @Dailan__M and
In other words we should reject overly oppressive accounts of morality. (To be clear: maybe we should accept some extremely oppressive account! But there's a limit.)
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Replying to @michaelcurzi @Dailan__M and
do you think people engage in meta ethical speculation to further self serving nihilism? in my experience they are more likely to do it out of anxiety about being good
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @Dailan__M and
I think people absolutely do both. Is it too memey to cite Nietzsche? He has great thoughts on self-serving morality. To dig a random one up, which is intense but I think gives an example which I consider psychologically realistic:pic.twitter.com/vOOCwUK1VG
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Replying to @michaelcurzi @Dailan__M and
The anxiety to be good *can* be natural and honest, but in some cases can also have this more twisted self-serving or dishonest side. Not because the person doesn't truly want to be moral! Sometimes the weak lust to stand above others, so seek moral superiority. A type of safety
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Replying to @michaelcurzi @Dailan__M and
this is true. i do instinctively and perhaps by faith reject comprehensive accounts of human nature that reduce us entirely to baser drives (power, sex, glory etc)
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @Dailan__M and
One of the hardest things is keeping in mind both how incredibly good we are & can be, as well as how completely terrible we are.
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whatever criticisms can be made of christianity, i feel certain it gets this right
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @Dailan__M and
Yes! And it does so by asserting an incredibly intense cosmology. Helps bring attention to certain types of things.
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