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    1. existentialpervert69 ☣‏ @xstntlprvrt69 Feb 20
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      Yeah, ok, I quibble over terms a bit, but it does make things clearer in the long run to get it out of the way. We're trying to answer the question "what kind of people should we try to be?"

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    2. existentialpervert69 ☣‏ @xstntlprvrt69 Feb 20
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      Put simply, the answer that western Buddhist converts give that seems to be rooted in the Pali canon is unappealing to me. I am open to the possibility that a) they are wrong and b) there other, 'better' visions under the umbrella of Buddhism.

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    3. existentialpervert69 ☣‏ @xstntlprvrt69 Feb 20
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      Or I suppose that I have misinterpreted them, but, in fairness, if that's the case they probably haven't been making their point very well.

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    4. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 20
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      In the tradition I'm most familiar with, the question is: "how can I give my life to great love." I'm not familiar with what 'Western Buddhist converts pull from the Pali canon' – what do you have in mind?

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    5. existentialpervert69 ☣‏ @xstntlprvrt69 Feb 20
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      Replying to @msutherl @faustroll @michaelcurzi

      Anything that focuses on "enlightenment" as a goal, w particular emphasis on detachment.

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    6. existentialpervert69 ☣‏ @xstntlprvrt69 Feb 20
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      "detachment" only makes sense within a normative framework that describes things you should and should not be detached from. If you destroy that framework by applying it too broadly - seems kinda monstrous.

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    7. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 20
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      I seem to see this – what I consider misunderstanding – pretty frequently. I suspect it's not going to be easy to correct in the public mind. In-practice Buddhism doesn't have this feeling, even the renunciatory kind, and I'm not sure where it comes from yet.

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    8. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 20
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      If I had to guess, you can misinterpret some of the scripture to – which is already often mistranslated – to justify detaching from the world in order to satisfy a need to take refuge.

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    9. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 20
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      Actual Buddhism would be vaguely like: what happens when you renounce your desire to detach? The end result is always a more powerful engagement.

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      existentialpervert69 ☣‏ @xstntlprvrt69 Feb 20
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      Instead of trying to make a normative/descriptive category of "actual Buddhism" it might be better to just say which Buddhism you are talking about (Mahayana, Pure Land, "my interpretation of X tradition" etc). Buddhism is a very, very broad tradition.

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        2. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 20
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          In this case I'm talking of my experience with my tradition (vaguely Japanese zen), my interpretation of Pali scripture, and assorted conversations and readings across traditions that are well-represented in the English language – so big emphasis on zen, vipassana, and Tibetan.

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        3. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 20
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          I know a lot less about Pure Land and folk Buddhism in Asia, which seem a lot more like folk Christianity in America by comparison to the "full fledged" monastic, renunciatory, tantric, etc. traditions.

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