I feel like most of the pali-canon modeled contemporary discourse about enlightenment is... wrong? Normatively and/or descriptively.
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69
Haven't read it directly - which memes in particular? Sounds interesting.
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Emptiness, no-self, the end of desire, the skandhas... that sort of thing. It always sounds disassociative and horrifying to me.
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69
Gotcha. I think there's major value in or nearby that set of ideas, and defenders will really go to lengths to show how it's not exactly what it sounds like. I think the destruction of one's illusions often *feels* like one's actual self is being destroyed, so I'm into this part.
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That said I basically agree that there's some big problem in the area. Don't yet think I have named it clearly - very very hard thing to do.
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I think if Buddhists seemed more like ancient Romans or brilliant industrialists or great scientists, it would be easier to be more in favor.
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Chapman seems to be arguing the vajrayana ideal is more like this - a well rounded, fully human renaissance person. How theologically or scripturally accurate this is, I have no idea, but it looks better than living annihilation.
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Would read that blog post if you know where to find it...
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @michaelcurzi
Oh wow, this website is amazing!
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I think it's by David Chapman? I first encountered it linked from his Vajrayana site, anyways.
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