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    1. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

      I saw that new Godzilla movie and I want to use it as an excuse to ramble about something I think about a lot, which is "narrative insularity".

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    2. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

      In the new "Godzilla", nearly every speaking character is an employee of "Monarch", the in-universe secret organization tracking giant monsters, nearly every location is a "Monarch outpost" (helpfully numbered if you're keeping track). There's basically no "normal people" in it.

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    3. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

      I have no idea if this is typical of Kaiju movies. It feels pretty atypical of disaster movies, which I think usually have some "normal people" scenes for scale (there's no scenes where you wonder if Millie Bobby Brown's classmate or Kyle Chandler's dad will escape the mayhem).

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      Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

      Anyway I think this makes the movie a very "insular narrative". You see everything from the POV of a small group of professionals, you're not in the "real world" basically ever. And whether or not this is typical of Kaiju movies, it's also a trend I've noticed in other contexts.

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        2. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          EG in "Black Panther" you see very little of Wakanda that's not the royal palace and laboratory or the official...succession ritual combat rock. All the Wakandan characters are royalty or high-ranking soldiers/spies. (IIRC there's a very brief scene or two on a market street.)

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        3. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          Spider-Man movies are usually not "insular narratives" since the character is supposed to be such an everyman. But it seems to me a lot of other MCU movies take place mostly in various '"facilities" or space or whatever and de-emphasize any "normal person" supporting characters.

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        4. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          In superhero media especially, one striking example of "narrative insularity" is how much of it these days completely ignores that staple of the genre, "how do I keep my secret identity/live a normal life while being a hero". How many Avengers even have a secret identity anymore?

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        5. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          (Except Spider-Man, like I said people seem to generally recognize this approach wouldn't fit Spider-Man.)

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        6. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          Even on television, I suspect the trendy emphasis on large casts of interconnected recurring characters can actually make the narratives more "insular", as compared to like, a cop show where you meet different "normal people" every week.

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        7. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          I don't watch as much television as y'all but I need an example, uh, "The Magicians". I think nearly every character is a magician and they spend all their time in that world. IIRC at one point they kidnap a famous US Senator and any repercussions this might have are not shown.

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        8. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          To use Canonical TV Shows as an example, "The Wire" is not an "insular narrative", "Breaking Bad" is an "insular narrative" (there's famously little emphasis on the actual users of Walt's meth). It's not good or bad; in both cases there I think the choice fit the intended story.

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        9. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          But I suspect narratives are generally getting more "insular" and I even think viewers these days are "trained" to expect an "insular narrative". Every new character should be related to an existing character, every villain should have a personal grudge against the hero, and etc.

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        10. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          There was a great article that I can't find about how the BBC Sherlock show exemplifies this. I might be stealing the terminology from there actually, I don't remember. On "Sherlock", Moriarty is personally obsessed with Sherlock and almost all the cases tie back to that.

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        11. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          (It was in one of those magazines where the name of the magazine is a year. 1894? If you know the article I mean, let me know.)

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        12. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          Oh, a good example of a genre movie making choices to make the narrative less "insular" is the first "Kingsman" movie. At the climax there are cutaways to show how the protagonist's friends and also random normal people we've never met before are impacted by the global craziness.

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        13. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          Ah it was this article by @NicholasLBarber that I was thinking of. "Universe-shrinking" is the phrase he uses. Great stuff. I don't remember if I'd had similar thoughts before or not, but it definitely at least crystalized them.https://www.1843magazine.com/culture/the-daily/the-small-world-of-modern-thrillers …

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        14. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 1 Jun 2019

          Apparently the insularity of "Godzilla: King of the Monsters" might actually be hurting it at the box office. (Again, subjectively, I thought it was an odd choice that made such a seemingly large-scale movie feel very small.) https://deadline.com/2019/06/godzilla-king-of-the-monsters-rocketman-ma-opening-weekend-box-office-1202624876/ …pic.twitter.com/4peV1LYUmE

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