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    1. Jouke‏ @MisterAwesan May 4
      Replying to @amatchneer @wycats

      Similar thing happened with Webpack.. I think the Ember community could have benefited a lot from it. But now it seems unlikely we'll ever use similar tooling from the rest of the community, and we won't benefit from the advances there.

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @MisterAwesan @amatchneer

      Ember's build pipeline is focused on enabling Ember's conventions. That's why Ember addons are so powerful and plug-and-play, and why it takes longer to implement certain features: Adding a feature to Ember's build pipeline means bringing along add-ons.

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @wycats @MisterAwesan @amatchneer

      So when we get code splitting, we get code splitting not only for your app, but for your add-ons. And it works with ember-cli-deploy. And injected services. And testing. We're all climbing the mountain together 😀

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    4. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
      Replying to @wycats @MisterAwesan @amatchneer

      The problem is that webpack has been innovating rapidly while we are left reimplementing that stuff with far fewer contributors. We’re going to get left in the dust

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    5. Boring humorist‏ @chilicoder May 10
      Replying to @nucknyan @wycats and

      Can you, please, explain more which exactly features of webpack you are missing in ember world?

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    6. Jouke‏ @MisterAwesan May 10
      Replying to @chilicoder @nucknyan and

      Imo this is the wrong perspective. I miss the general webpack ecosystem with tons of contributors, docs etc. No good reason for ember to try to duplicate features.

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    7. Boring humorist‏ @chilicoder May 10
      Replying to @MisterAwesan @nucknyan and

      Sorry but I cant buy it. I don’t miss general webpack ecosystem because I don’t need it.

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    8. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn May 10
      Replying to @chilicoder @MisterAwesan and

      How much dead code does your app ship? :) Also how long does it take to get interactive?

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 10
      Replying to @TheLarkInn @chilicoder and

      The Ember story is focused on a stable API that conventionally compiles apps *and* addons. In general, the tradeoff is that Ember takes longer to get features, but they work for apps and addons built 2-3 years ago, and the ecosystem moves forward together.

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 10
      Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

      The hard work doesn't come from duplicating features, but from managing upgrades &maintaining conventions. We may end up adopting Webpack or Rollup in Ember, but the bulk of the work would still be maintaining the public API and designing an ecosystem-wide migration strategy.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 10
      Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

      libkit (a conventional Ember CLI-based toolkit for building Typescript libraries that I maintain with @chancancode) uses Webpack for building tests, and Glimmer.js uses rollup for building apps. Broccoli isn't a blocker for using these tools (it's a glue layer), but ...

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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 10
          Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

          (not to repeat myself), we prioritize convention over configuration, stable updates, and bringing the whole ecosystem along. There's a ton of active work with good progress towards exposing a generalized packaging hook (to allow webpack, parcel and rollup for last-mile bundling)

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 10
          Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

          and a ton of active work to bring code splitting and tree shaking to Ember apps by default. A ton of *that* work is internals updates to eliminate implicit dependencies and depend on modules more. And work to allow our DI to work better with tree module-based tree-shaking.

          1 reply 2 retweets 3 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 10
          Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

          It's gonna be awesome! Ultimately, Ember is about building a community that values doing this work together, despite the fact that it means it takes longer to get the first support out of the gate. If you're into that, Ember may be your jam 😀😀😀

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