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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @eaf4 @nucknyan and

      And the addon API doesn't even have that direct of a relationship to Broccoli, in the same way that the Ember component lifecycle makes sense even if it wasn't generating DOM at the end.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
      Replying to @wycats @eaf4 and

      Yeah I won't fault the addon API at all. I love it, I just have gripes with the feeling that ember is constantly reinventing things that it seems (1) everybody else coalesced on a solution for and (2) nobody else can benefit from our reinvention

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
      Replying to @nucknyan @wycats and

      It feels like ember picks a tool early in the race and when everybody else hits the same problem and coalesces around an alternative, we stubbornly keep our existing tool due to sunk costs

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
      Replying to @nucknyan @wycats and

      … And this results in a weak ecosystem because I can't borrow tools directly from other ecosystems, just ideas. And ideas are frankly near-worthless when I'm trying to build a product quickly

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @nucknyan @eaf4 and

      From the perspective of quickly shipping your product, what would you say are the biggest things from Webpack missing in Ember that are slowing you down?

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @wycats @nucknyan and

      I totally get the frustration of wanting to do something in your app and feeling held back by your tools.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn May 4
      Replying to @wycats @nucknyan and

      Emma the problem is that for Ember to go full webpack the "right way" they need to use modules top down, which is (last I worked with the cli team and ember team) is a pretty tough feat. Glimmer is promises of the future however. Just know we actively want to have webpack+ember

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn May 4
      Replying to @TheLarkInn @wycats and

      Ember makes a very valuable yet discrete tradeoff: Compat at the cost of being held back a little, but with a much more stable moving ecosystem.

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    9. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn May 4
      Replying to @TheLarkInn @wycats and

      Dependency Injection would need (or should in my subjective opinion) be repalced with ESM, and that's a whole archetectural rewrite almost.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @TheLarkInn @nucknyan and

      Some cases of DI might want to be rewritten as pure modules, but DI *state* would still want to be separately managed. Also, cases where you use DI to swap out different versions of a service wouldn't necessarily be able to reference a module name directly.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

      Some sort of build-time DI would be necessary (so that importing from "services/fetch" would be able to be swapped out if needed), but then we could end up with something like:

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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
          Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

          import Fetch from "app/services/fetch"; import { service } from "@ember/injections"; export default class { @service(Fetch) fetch; handle() { this.fetch // an instance of fetch } }

          3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Chris Krycho‏ @chriskrycho May 5
          Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

          Note that an import *roughly* like this is already necessary for @typescriptlang to have enough info to be usable for services today (`@service fetch!: Fetch;`) so rationalizing DI in something like this way would be 💯 from where I stand.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 6
          Replying to @chriskrycho @TheLarkInn and

          Wow! I didn't see that before! It's actually an interesting way to use TypeScript in a useful way that doesn't feel mandatory (or maybe even require runtime glue from TS) but also doesn't impose extra costs on TS users.

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Chris Freeman‏ @15lettermax May 6
          Replying to @wycats @chriskrycho and

          This also seems preferable independent of TS because explicit imports are the direction JavaScript itself is moving (has moved). You have to type a bit more, and it's less magic, but IMO sticking to the emerging language patterns is worth the extra typing

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 May 6
          Replying to @15lettermax @wycats and

          Even languages that have always had static module imports still reinvent dependency injection too. They are for different things.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        7. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 6
          Replying to @eaf4 @15lettermax and

          I think part of that is because most languages don't have the shared runtime state thing that ES modules do? ES modules and CommonJS both seem to encourage sharing state through a module

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Alex Matchneer‏ @amatchneer May 6
          Replying to @nucknyan @eaf4 and

          What's an example of sharing state through a module?

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        9. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 6
          Replying to @amatchneer @eaf4 and

          If two modules import the same module, they get the same copy, which they can use as a location for shared state. I saw this used a lot in Node to solve similar problems to DI

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