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    1. Alex Matchneer‏ @amatchneer May 4
      Replying to @amatchneer @wycats

      but it'll probably be another year before that happens, and that's 2 years after GraphQL was released during which, partially due to the response from the core team, the Ember community considers it "niche at best, a joke at worst".

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    2. Jouke‏ @MisterAwesan May 4
      Replying to @amatchneer @wycats

      Similar thing happened with Webpack.. I think the Ember community could have benefited a lot from it. But now it seems unlikely we'll ever use similar tooling from the rest of the community, and we won't benefit from the advances there.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @MisterAwesan @amatchneer

      Ember's build pipeline is focused on enabling Ember's conventions. That's why Ember addons are so powerful and plug-and-play, and why it takes longer to implement certain features: Adding a feature to Ember's build pipeline means bringing along add-ons.

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @wycats @MisterAwesan @amatchneer

      So when we get code splitting, we get code splitting not only for your app, but for your add-ons. And it works with ember-cli-deploy. And injected services. And testing. We're all climbing the mountain together 😀

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    5. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
      Replying to @wycats @MisterAwesan @amatchneer

      The problem is that webpack has been innovating rapidly while we are left reimplementing that stuff with far fewer contributors. We’re going to get left in the dust

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    6. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 May 4
      Replying to @nucknyan @wycats and

      I think that frames a false dilemma. Webpack is open source. Any piece of webpack that is too big an investment to reproduce we can literally just use. And we already have a history of doing that (for example, ember-cli already uses Rollup to handle steps that Rollup is good at).

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
      Replying to @eaf4 @wycats and

      The differences between Webpack and Ember-CLI will just continue to grow even with that, until eventually it's just not feasible to do that. I'd rather rip the bandaid off and switch from Broccoli to Webpack

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 May 4
      Replying to @nucknyan @wycats and

      I know it's hard to productively explain myself in just tweets, but my tl;dr is (1) broccoli and webpack solve different problems, you may actually want both and

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 May 4
      Replying to @eaf4 @nucknyan and

      (2) we have a track record of successfully doing much more dramatic internals upgrades than this, while bringing the whole community along.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    10. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 May 4
      Replying to @eaf4 @nucknyan and

      Like, if it turns out we really do want to go entirely with webpack over broccoli, that is less dramatic than either of our rendering engine upgrades (stringly handlebars to htmlbars to glimmer).

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
      Replying to @eaf4 @nucknyan and

      And the addon API doesn't even have that direct of a relationship to Broccoli, in the same way that the Ember component lifecycle makes sense even if it wasn't generating DOM at the end.

      11:25 AM - 4 May 2018
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        2. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
          Replying to @wycats @eaf4 and

          Yeah I won't fault the addon API at all. I love it, I just have gripes with the feeling that ember is constantly reinventing things that it seems (1) everybody else coalesced on a solution for and (2) nobody else can benefit from our reinvention

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
          Replying to @nucknyan @wycats and

          It feels like ember picks a tool early in the race and when everybody else hits the same problem and coalesces around an alternative, we stubbornly keep our existing tool due to sunk costs

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Sexy Emma Costume‏ @nucknyan May 4
          Replying to @nucknyan @wycats and

          … And this results in a weak ecosystem because I can't borrow tools directly from other ecosystems, just ideas. And ideas are frankly near-worthless when I'm trying to build a product quickly

          3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
          Replying to @nucknyan @eaf4 and

          From the perspective of quickly shipping your product, what would you say are the biggest things from Webpack missing in Ember that are slowing you down?

          4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Chris Freeman‏ @15lettermax May 4
          Replying to @wycats @nucknyan and

          npm install thing -> import stuff from thing is absolutely 100% a real and significant feature of using webpack that ember still lacks (though I know we're getting closer) and the cost of not having this feature is far from trivial in real life apps

          2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
        7. Alex Matchneer‏ @amatchneer May 4
          Replying to @15lettermax @wycats and

          I definitely quickly feel paralyzed when I go down the path of wanting to use a 3rd party module to solve some problem or experiment with an idea.

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
          Replying to @amatchneer @15lettermax and

          When I started thinking about Ember in 2018 over the holidays, "being able to easily import from npm" quickly shot up to the top of my list. It sucks wanting to use an npm module and having to remember the song and dance. Let's fix it.

          5 replies 2 retweets 16 likes
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats May 4
          Replying to @wycats @amatchneer and

          (sounds like a good choice for my own #emberjs2018 post)

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Zackary Chapple‏ @ZChapple May 4
          Replying to @wycats @eaf4 and

          Would it make sense to talk to @hanslatwork, @Brocco and @filipematossilv on the move from Broccoli to Schematics? The angular cli was based on the ember cli originally.

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