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    1. Melanie Sumner  💥  🐹‏ @melaniersumner Apr 16
      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats @AmeliasBrain

      I totally feel your pain. Trying to make this better in EmberJS at least- we have some super useful A11y-related things in active development.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 16
      Replying to @melaniersumner @wycats @AmeliasBrain

      The single most important contribution to accessibility any framework team can make today (in the sense of "users can access this content at all") is to simply send and run less script. We are collectively breaking the contract that tapping a link is a reasonable thing to do.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 16
      Replying to @slightlylate @melaniersumner and

      This matters (a bit) less on desktop, so documenting that a framework or tool is not appropriate for mobile development is also a huge help. Steers developers towards appropriate options.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 16
      Replying to @slightlylate @melaniersumner and

      Surfacing how broken the ecosystem is to developers is hard, tho. Lots of folks picking/choosing metrics. I want so much for us to get past speed to be able to address all the other a11y concerns.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 16
      Replying to @slightlylate @melaniersumner and

      I keep thinking about this: https://www.webbloatscore.com/  We should make Lighthouse generate this number as a gut-check. /cc @ebidel @paul_irish

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    6. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain Apr 16
      Replying to @slightlylate

      Tangential: When working on that PWA talk, I was slightly depressed to realize that I got a Lighthouse checkmark for "there is any content at all without JS". Kind of a low bar. I was thinking there should be another check for ">80% of the plain text content is the same w/o JS".

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 16
      Replying to @AmeliasBrain @slightlylate

      Last I checked, @slightlylate is also concerned about encouraging people to blindly use SSR.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 16
      Replying to @wycats @AmeliasBrain

      Yep. Time-to-Interactive is the gold standard and JS is TTI kryptonite

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 16
      Replying to @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain

      I prefer Time To First Meaningful Paint (the content you care about is painted) followed by no jank or layout thrashing once the remaining assets are fetched. TTI is often, but not always, a close approximation.

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    10. Marius Gundersen‏ @GundersenMarius Apr 16
      Replying to @wycats @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain

      Between TTFMP and TTI you have at least human reaction time, approximately 250ms. Use it wisely 😄

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 16
      Replying to @GundersenMarius @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain

      So this means native apps are disqualified then? They take minutes to download and seconds to boot.

      2:20 PM - 16 Apr 2018
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        1. Marius Gundersen‏ @GundersenMarius Apr 16
          Replying to @wycats

          What I tried to say is, you can always wait up to about 250ms after you render a button before you attach an event listener to it, because of our slow reaction times. This applies to native apps as well, and not just at startup

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