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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 13

      Yehuda Katz  🥨 Retweeted Ingvar Stepanyan

      I'm glad this is happening. The fact of the matter is that standards codify reality, and reality means what is actually shipping in actual browsers. The W3C may not want to admit it, but they have lost the confidence of the most important implementors of the DOM spec.https://twitter.com/RReverser/status/984496824357720064 …

      Yehuda Katz  🥨 added,

      Ingvar Stepanyan @RReverser
      Incredible to watch 100% consensus from all browser implementors raising formal objections against W3C publishing its fork of WHATWG DOM standard. 🍿 https://github.com/w3c/dom/issues/175 …
      1 reply 8 retweets 44 likes
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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 13

      Since the implementors of the spec have moved to another open standards organization, the reasonable thing for all of us to do is to move on with them.

      2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 13

      It also doesn't hurt that the WHATWG is a community organization, with contributions open to anyone.

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    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 13

      Bottom line: The W3C has lost the moral authority on this long ago, and it was only a matter of time until the WHATWG got its IP story enough in order for the web browsers to cut themselves loose from the bureaucracy and misplaced priorities of the W3C.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 13

      I say all of that with a great appreciation for the historical work done by the W3C, and the continued work the CSS working group does inside of the W3C.

      7:57 AM - 13 Apr 2018
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        2.  👻Taudry Hep-BOO-urn 👻‏ @tabatkins Apr 14
          Replying to @wycats

          CSSWG is the major thing justifying the W3C at this point, unfortunately. :/ No particular plans to change that, either; we're trucking along just fine.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 14
          Replying to @tabatkins @wycats

          Well, CSSWG, Service Worker WG, Web Audio WG, and the very active Community Groups (WICG, RICG, etc.). Lots going on.

          2 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
        4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 14
          Replying to @slightlylate @tabatkins @wycats

          Also, the @w3ctag. We invest a ton at @w3c because we get a lot of value.

          1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
        5. Rick Byers‏ @RickByers Apr 14
          Replying to @slightlylate @tabatkins and

          Exactly. And there's nothing inconsistent about saying we get lots of value out of many W3C projects, just not all of them. This is engineering not politics - we don't have to pick a party and hold the line...

          1 reply 1 retweet 14 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 14
          Replying to @RickByers @slightlylate and

          Right, and from an engineering perspective, there is no reason for W3C to be publishing forked WHATWG specs.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Brenton‏ @appsforartists Apr 15
          Replying to @wycats @RickByers and

          Speaking only for myself, how can a standard pretend to matter if nobody implements it? Of course, it's nice to have community feedback; but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is what ships to users. Implementors will always have the most influence in spec work.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 15
          Replying to @appsforartists @RickByers and

          Implementors should want to give some of their natural influence to direct users, especially those willing to contribute time and effort, because it makes the interoperable implementations better. Standards that shut out users entirely churn too much.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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