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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 9

      Today I realized (with @littlecalculist) that the web is AWESOME at dealing with low-disk-space situations (or just generally phones with little disk space).

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    2. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist Apr 9
      Replying to @wycats

      To me it feels of a piece with the MP3’s (organize my folders) => iTunes (manage my local collection for me) => Spotify (manage local/remote for me) spectrum. As a platform that generally requires manual curation of local storage, apps feel line a major productivity regression.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 9
      Replying to @littlecalculist

      On the other hand, for people with a lot of "hard-offline" situations, the ability to "set up" for offline is important, and automatic management works less good for that situation. I think the web needs a "Keep/Install" mode for that situation.

      4 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
      Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist

      That's PWA install +https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/instant-and-offline/web-storage/offline-for-pwa …

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats @littlecalculist

      At the limit, eviction still possible, but combined with UI changes, much less likely

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 9
      Replying to @slightlylate @littlecalculist

      I think this is roughly right for "web apps" (user agent specified limits, not many specified guarantees), but I think you still want something more guaranteed via something that looks like app installs. On balance, this situation is still great though, and best in class!

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
      Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist

      Persistent Storage is probably what we need to evolve to handle hard cases. I.e., would you trade isolation for real persistence?

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats @littlecalculist

      E.g., requiring a CSP value that opts the app into its own storage partition at all times in order to gain real persistence at install time

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 9
      Replying to @slightlylate @littlecalculist

      Would this mean you would have to use the same origin for all content (what about fonts?)

      11:03 AM - 9 Apr 2018
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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
          Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist

          Wouldn't need to be same-origin only, but all cookies, caches, etc. etc. would be effectively double-keyed. E.g.: `Content-Security-Policy: sandbox-storage; ...`

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 9
          Replying to @slightlylate @littlecalculist

          What would the effect of the double-keying be?

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        4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
          Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist

          A big one would be that iframes of your origin outside of top-level loads would not include any of the state the user added in top-level navigation contexts.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
          Replying to @slightlylate @wycats @littlecalculist

          I.e., the end of XSRF.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 9
          Replying to @slightlylate @littlecalculist

          If it only affects credentialed content, BRING IT FUCKING ON

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
          Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist

          Would be all content. Why the credentialing difference?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Apr 9
          Replying to @slightlylate @littlecalculist

          Yehuda Katz  🥨 Retweeted Alex Russell

          https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/983406442303471616 … I thought this implied that the "missing content" would be ~ credentials. What other state is important here?

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          Alex Russell @slightlylate
          Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist
          A big one would be that iframes of your origin outside of top-level loads would not include any of the state the user added in top-level navigation contexts.
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 9
          Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist

          All state would be unshared between the "isolated world" instances of an origin and the "regular world" ones. Service Worker registrations, cookies, other sorts of storage, etc.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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