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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      And of all of those things, Research and Servo have been the closest to consistently feeding new tech to Platform. I don't think Mozilla (or Gecko) is helped by moving back towards a Labs or "make time" model. Servo's success (as you described) means more like that, plz.

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    2. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
      Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      I hear ya. What more do you want from Servo in the near term? It gave us an entirely new styling and rendering engine as well as a new memory safe language. Seems like we got a couple more years at least to integrate all of that into products and see it pay off.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      @pcwalton's Pathfinder seems promising, but more generally, the work towards web-compat completion is what made WebRender and Stylo close enough to consider integrating. Keeping projects warm and resourced is cheaper than rebooting them later.

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    4. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
      Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre and

      I may be out of date but I think Pathfinder is still a priority. Did you hear that development was stopped?

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre and

      I heard (from the horse's mouth) that the entire Servo team has been "acquired" by Mixed Reality. Reams and reams of Internets back and forth make it clear that this is actually what happened and not a miscommunication of some kind. https://blog.servo.org/2018/03/09/servo-and-mixed-reality/ …

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
      Replying to @wycats @asadotzler and

      "if we can make it work for VR, it'll be great for desktop web" has a kernel of truth, but was mostly a messaging dodge. Servo is deprioritizing finishing web compat in favor of MR.

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    7. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
      Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre and

      I'm just one person, but the way I see Servo is as R&D for things that might make it into Gecko, delivered to users in a Firefox browser. That work continues. What may not continue is turning Servo from an R&D engine into a commercially viable full web platform implementation.

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    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre and

      The sudden shift in prioritization from web compat to VR projects described in the post (https://blog.servo.org/2018/03/09/servo-and-mixed-reality/ …) belies that. "Just not a full fledged product" is the party line, not a reflection of the the technical and organizational decisions that were made by leadership.

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    9. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
      Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre and

      And I point you again at https://github.com/servo/webrender/issues/2506 … the horse's mouth as it were. "we're still planning to continue to both have the Mozilla Servo staff work on Webrender and Pathfinder and the Firefox team investigate its use inside of that product."

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    10. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
      Replying to @asadotzler @wycats and

      And another horse's mouth https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16557519 …

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre and

      Yeah I've read it. It was carefully worded.

      5:19 PM - 31 Mar 2018
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
          Replying to @wycats @asadotzler and

          Either way, this conversation has gone on for too long and isn't yielding any useful information for onlookers anymore so I think it's probably time to wrap it up.

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        3. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
          Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre and

          OK. Wrapping up. If you'd like to share more about confusion you're seeing in the community, I'd like to make sure we communicate better. Maybe we can work together. I'm reachable at asa@mozilla.org

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        4. Fabrice Desré‏ @fabricedesre Mar 31
          Replying to @asadotzler @wycats and

          I think the community is smart enough to read between the lines of such announcements. The risk being, if MR doesn't pan out, all of MoCo involvement in Servo will disappear in 2 years to "focus on our core strengths are serve better our users".

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