There's also quite a bit spent on IT (afaict) because of aging internal infrastructure that doesn't even work that well.
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From an employee standpoint, I see IT as better than anything I've experienced in my 18 years of Mozilla employment across three organizations. I'm especially proud of how we're able to support a globally distributed employee and volunteer base with great tools and other support.
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As a "volunteer" (whatever the heck that means - it's not actually how other large OSS projects describe contributors), I'm delighted when the projects I work on use industry standard tools and frustrated when I need to interact with Mozilla's tools.
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Can you say more about this? Do you mean "move to github already" or something else?
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The way you asked that question doesn't make me optimistic about responding. It's not just github (although GitHub is empirically a huge boon for contributors), but CI tools and other aspects of the ecosystem.
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There's nothing snowflake'y about Devtools, Rust, Servo. Large, distributed, global OSS projects in the wild operate with fewer bespoke tools.
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And if Mozilla's tools are so great, a healthy, large ecosystem around them would make a big difference.
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I'm no expert here, so I'll defer to any Mozilla build and ci folks who want to chime in, but making that tooling top notch is a priority, and we've got a decent sized and super smart group of people working on it. Perhaps that's why the cost is high :)
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What is the point of this conversation? To illustrate that I don't know enough about the internal details and can be repeatedly told that "someone else" knows why things are expensive? If so, I concede.
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This conversation seems to have a couple of branches. I'll try to get to the point. It's expensive to build a desktop and mobile implementation of the web platform and browsers to distribute those. I think Mozilla's about as small as you can be money wise and still be competitive
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That particular point just doesn't gell with your point on MR. It's obvious that you can run a competitive browser without running ahead. If you want to run ahead, it opens a lot of other fronts in this conversation.
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