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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 30
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      These people surely don't count as required for "funding an implementation of the web" right?

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    2. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 30
      Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      More like building moats and leveraging monopolies around their particular implementations of the web. They aren't building the web platform, they're making it nearly impossible (or way more expensive) for anyone else to build the web platform.

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    3. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 30
      Replying to @asadotzler @wycats and

      So much so that the only two other significant investors in building the web platform are Samsung with it's hardware monopoly and Mozilla which is a non-profit.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 30
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      Yehuda Katz  🥨 Retweeted

      I'm replying to this: https://twitter.com/the_real_jeffg/status/979800674660622336?s=19 … Which claims that simply implementing the web costs this much. Not true.

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    5. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 30
      Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      Because you say so? Or because you can point me to someone else that's done it for cheap?

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    6. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 30
      Replying to @asadotzler @wycats and

      Opera gave a pretty good run. I think they were about our size, maybe larger but not an order of magnitude larger, when they gave up and climbed on board the Google implementation of the web. And no one else even tries to build a real engine? Why is that? If it was cheap to do...

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 30
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      Do you just not count UC? Servo? Do you think Edge costs $500MM a year to build, maintain and document?

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    8. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 30
      Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      I don't count UC. I've read some more about their implementation (thanks for the push). Samsung seems closer. Servo is no where near a complete implementation of the Web and is paid for in the Mozilla budget so that it can help keep Mozilla's mainstream implementation modern.

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      Why don't you count UC?

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    10. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
      Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      UC is not moving the web forward. They're an old fork with no standards advancement and they're actually holding the web back. They're actively bad for the web platform by amassing users on old tech.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
      Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

      And yet, they have market share and an implementation. If you're committed to saying that Mozilla is spending its money well and there's not much waste in that budget, feel free, but I don't have much else to add here.

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        2. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
          Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

          They have a years old fork that's hurting the web. I don't consider them the way I consider all the other bigs that are at least trying for web standards and moving the platform forward. Reminds me of when MS thought the web was done and abandoned it at IE6 holding everyone back.

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
          Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

          $500 million.

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        4. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
          Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

          Why don't you take a look for yourself https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Audited_Financial_Statement.pdf … and tell me. Looks like we spent around half of that on "software development".

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
          Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

          An audit is not the right document for identifying cost savings. I'd be happy to look at Mozilla's private books and identify prospective savings, though.

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        6. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
          Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

          How about at the really high level? Should we have fewer developers (work different? work harder?) a smaller marketing budget (count on word of mouth?) or fewer office things (cheaper chairs?).

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        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
          Replying to @asadotzler @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

          I don't really understand the obsession with Mixed Reality, which is another area where the major players have a massive heads up. I respect the people working on it a lot but am perplexed by the prioritization.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 31
          Replying to @wycats @asadotzler and

          There's also quite a bit spent on IT (afaict) because of aging internal infrastructure that doesn't even work that well.

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        9. Asa Dotzler‏ @asadotzler Mar 31
          Replying to @wycats @fabricedesre @pascalchevrel

          From an employee standpoint, I see IT as better than anything I've experienced in my 18 years of Mozilla employment across three organizations. I'm especially proud of how we're able to support a globally distributed employee and volunteer base with great tools and other support.

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