Less glib: you didn't just need to ship, you needed to ship a new vision for a platform. The shortcuts muddied the waters until nobody could see the vision, and, all else equal, nobody wants more platforms to support.
@slightlylate, @annevk and I were pitching them to anyone who would listen *at the time*. I spoke with FFOS folks at the first Chrome Dev Summit. @annevk and I commiserated *at the time*.
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I wrote this in 2013, after running for TAG in 2012 overtly to fix the app cache mess: http://yehudakatz.com/2013/05/21/extend-the-web-forward/ … I wrote the Extensible Web Manifesto in 2013 in part to push back against the widely held belief that packaged apps were the only way forward.
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FFOS engineers were aware of the PWA vision at the time, and just didn't believe it was worth prioritizing. Full stop.
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You're laughable. full stop.
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I'm laughable because...
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because you pretend to know what we believed in, while it's clearly not the case. Your whole view of what happened in FFOS is an alternate reality
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I was a Mozillian (such as the term makes sense) at the time, and have worked closely with Mozilla leaders and standards folks on web components, service worker, asm.js/wasm for years. More recently, I have attended literally every Mozilla all-hands.
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I am not trying to claim I know what the top FFOS leadership was thinking, which is why I said "Mozilla engineers" and not "top FFOS leadership". But I do know that multiple people at Mozilla were aware of the alternatives and felt it shouldn't be prioritized.
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I also have no idea "what happened" with FFOS, but I do know that I've worked with clients in major publishing companies and top-10 apps, and that they weren't interested in helping another platform, but are interested in PWA and even AMP.
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Hosted apps were left behind without a pot to piss in / Anne started saying this to anyone who’d listen / “Packaged apps cannot be shipped to Firefox devices…”
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Indecisive / From crisis to crisis / The best thing they can do for the revolution / Is go back to hosting the payload and start learnin'
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“Don’t say a thing. KaiOS will prove them wrong.” “But sir!” “We’ve APIs to ship, let’s move along.”
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