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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 25
      Replying to @andreasgal @Google and

      There's something disjoint here, BTW. We (Chrome) have been trying to get a unified permissions API into the web as it will allow *much* better UI and semantics (time-limited grants, ability to drop for least-priviledge operation, etc) and Mozilla has blocked all progress.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 25
      Replying to @sayrer @andreasgal and

      The sad reality is that I don't. It still fundamentally undermines our ability to deliver a more capable-yet-privacy-preserving web, tho.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 25
      Replying to @slightlylate @sayrer and

      Most Mozillians I speak with are happy to pretend that the web isn't losing to native, and focus on desktop (where a shrinking fraction of time is being spent). In that (invented) world, it isn't necessary to balance these forces. Problem "solved".

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    4. andreasgal‏Verified account @andreasgal Mar 25
      Replying to @slightlylate @sayrer and

      Desktop is irrelevant. I don’t understand that part either

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 25
      Replying to @andreasgal @slightlylate and

      So I strongly agree with the idea that web needs to standardize these features and believe that failure to do so will eventually constitute an existential threat. That said, calling desktop "irrelevant" is directly causing total stagnation for over a billion real users.

      1 reply 1 retweet 10 likes
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 25
      Replying to @wycats @andreasgal and

      Saying "the web is losing to native" as a blanket statement is too blanket for me. Lots of companies are hungering to put content on the web because of significant (existing! today!) advantages over native.

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 25
      Replying to @wycats @andreasgal and

      The fact that it's a close call is embarrassing to web and something I strongly agree with both of you we should fix, and something Mozilla could be doing more to help with. Sadly, "packaged apps" confused Google and then Mozilla into years of wasted time.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 25
      Replying to @wycats @andreasgal and

      Google/Chrome folks seem caught up now. Mozilla: honestly I don't even know how to tell.

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    9. andreasgal‏Verified account @andreasgal Mar 25
      Replying to @wycats @slightlylate and

      The @chrome team has understood for years that native is the enemy to fight. WebView wrappers like Focus don’t move the needle in this key battle. Also not sure that fight is still winnable though. @reactnative might be the future instead

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 25
      Replying to @andreasgal @slightlylate and

      I'd go further than saying that the fight is winnable to say that, given enough time, the web *will* be a dominant player on mobile. The question is how much pain we want to impose, and how many close calls we want to endure in the meantime.

      5:48 PM - 25 Mar 2018
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        2. andreasgal‏Verified account @andreasgal Mar 25
          Replying to @wycats @slightlylate and

          I disagree. Most aren’t even trying any more to make that happen. @slightlylate put it well. Most players unwilling to discuss capabilities to compete with native

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 25
          Replying to @andreasgal @slightlylate and

          Demonstrably false (PWA, AMP, AMP standardization), but maybe you want to turn this into a Mozilla bash-fest? I'm not super-interested, and it's not really related to predictions of the future (market share matters more, and Mozilla doesn't have much, esp. on mobile)

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