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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 24

    A common Windows compat mistake: nested scrollable divs on websites that rely on the fact that OSX doesn't have a persistent visible scrollbar for scrollable content (Windows does).

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      2. Stefan Penner‏ @stefanpenner Mar 24
        Replying to @wycats

        Doesn’t OSX have that too if a mouse is plugged in?

        3 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 24
        Replying to @stefanpenner

        Maybe, but it seems like I'm often the first person to notice it when I browse to some site on Windows.

        3 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
      4. Jacques Favreau‏ @betaorbust Mar 24
        Replying to @wycats @stefanpenner

        It only forces the the scroll bars when you have a non-apple mouse plugged in. If you have a “Magic Mouse” you get no scroll bars... magically?

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 24
        Replying to @betaorbust @stefanpenner

        That's the magic. By magic if you're fully in the Apple ecosystem you build poorly usable websites for people outside of it ;)

        2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
      6. Tian Davis [天]‏ @tiandavis Mar 24
        Replying to @wycats @betaorbust @stefanpenner

        Install Parallels with a Windows instance and test in IE and Edge. Or use a service like BrowserStack. Dismissing cross browser compatibility isn't edgy, it's just lazy.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 24
        Replying to @tiandavis @betaorbust @stefanpenner

        You realize I agree with this, and that that was the point I was making, right?

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      8. Tian Davis [天]‏ @tiandavis Mar 24
        Replying to @wycats @betaorbust @stefanpenner

        100%. I know when I'm in the right crowd. 👋

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Jared Mehle‏ @jrmehle Mar 24
        Replying to @wycats

        Maybe you just missed the Made for OS X badge in the footer?

        1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 24
        Replying to @jrmehle

        Good point!

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Matt Hill‏ @matthillco Mar 25
        Replying to @wycats

        I'm a web dev using Windows and I test my work on OSX. Why aren't all the devs on OSX testing their stuff on Windows? It still has the biggest market share of all operating systems.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 25
        Replying to @matthillco

        That was basically my point. (I'm a Windows user btw)

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Luke Minall‏ @lukeminall Mar 24
        Replying to @wycats

        If you know a solution for this then let me know! One of my freelance client’s CMS’s is PLAUGED by this. They’re more likely to fix it if I tell them how.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 24
        Replying to @lukeminall

        The only solution is to not nest a million overflow: auto/scrolls inside of each other because you tried it out on OSX and it seemed to work.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Luke Channings  👨🏼‍💻‏ @LukeChannings Mar 24
        Replying to @wycats

        This is often missed, not maliciously, but because oftentimes designers and developers don’t think about how Windows renders scroll bars, because macOS and mobile devices don’t render them, or render them overlaid

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 24
        Replying to @LukeChannings

        Right, that was my point :)

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. pete_otaqui‏ @pete_otaqui Mar 25
        Replying to @wycats @LukeChannings

        The worst “fix” for this I’ve seen is to introduce JavaScript to fake macOS-style scrollbars, which then introduce loads of bugs for all platforms :( Not just a design failure, it’s caused by a breakdown in design & dev collaboration.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Drew Hamlett‏ @drewhamlett Mar 24
        Replying to @wycats

        If you're using a normal usable mouse on Mac it will show scroll bars. If using magic mouse or trackpad it doesn't

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 24
        Replying to @drewhamlett

        Yet another reason for people to care.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Aleksey Gladysh‏ @lyosha_g Mar 25
        Replying to @wycats

        How about avoiding nested scrolling whenever possible altogether? It’s just bad UX 99% of the time

        1 reply 4 retweets 33 likes
      3. Florian‏ @_Florian_R Mar 25
        Replying to @lyosha_g @wycats

        Not always easy. Ex: Iframe

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Aleksey Gladysh‏ @lyosha_g Mar 25
        Replying to @_Florian_R @wycats

        There are ways to avoid it even with iframes if you have control over the contents of the iframe. When you don’t, you might just be in the 1% of justifiable situations.

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