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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14

    For what it's worth, "I think windows is objectively terrible" isn't a good explanation for not wanting to support 1/2 of all existing devs and a bigger proportion of not-yet-developers. It's also not true, but that's a topic for another discussion.

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      2. Thaddee Tyl‏ @espadrine Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats

        I agree, and I wish this was more understood a decade ago when the tables were turned, and Windows developers made projects without Unix in mind because “nobody uses Linux”.

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @espadrine

        I can't speak for Windows users 10 years ago (except that I was one and found it difficult to learn rails on Windows at the time), but I don't think "the tables has turned" is a good justification for abandoning users.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      4. Thaddee Tyl‏ @espadrine Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats

        I am definitely not saying that.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @espadrine

        I understand. :) I agree that what windows tooling devs (and MS) were doing back then was bad and don't want a repeat.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. phil swenson‏ @philswenson Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats

        Windows is too different from Linux to easily support natively for many/most(?) projects. Docker is probably the best solution to leveraging Linux projects on Windows....

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @philswenson

        That's not true with decent tools. libuv makes it possible to write portable code with evented IO, something the node community has done at scale.

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. phil swenson‏ @philswenson Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats

        This is circular. You are saying tools should support windows. I'm saying the cost of doing so it often too high. you are saying not if you only use "decent tools".... and by "decent" you mean they support windows.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @philswenson

        I'm saying that you can fix it at the core and everyone uses those tools.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. Jeremy McAnally‏ @jm Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats

        Unless you're a project run by vounteers and don't want to spend the effort. You owe nothing to anyone. Of course, if you *want* people to like...actually use your project, well yeah you need to. :) But I don't think platform shaming folks is helpful (in either direction).

        2 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @jm

        I think the solution is making sure that the abstractions people use actually work across platforms. The only "education" campaign is to help people realize that they should use the abstractions, and that stuff like "did you know that / actually works on Windows" isn't true.

        3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats @jm

        I don't mean to shame anyone, because I don't think that the reason things usually don't work on Windows is any one person's fault, nor will it be solved by individual people doubling their workload. But as a wider community, people building general purpose tools can do better.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Jeremy McAnally‏ @jm Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats

        Totally agreed. I am glad to see more and more people taking cross-platform seriously these days. I really think it's improving everyone's lives. It just needs to move faster! ;)

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. SerialSeb  🇪🇺 🏳️‍🌈‏ @serialseb Mar 14
        Replying to @jm @wycats

        They don’t have to. They often don’t get paid for it. They often would have more of a life if they didn’t have users. You chose your poison.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation
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      2. Marcus Nielsen‏ @marcusnielsen Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats

        I'd love to learn how to setup a great terminal experience on my windows machine. Any tips? I use cmd.exe with custom colors and fonts. I tried WSL and some more lightweight bash-like terminals but never got the hang of how the file system worked when moving files around.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Mike Gasparelli‏ @mgasparel Mar 14
        Replying to @marcusnielsen @wycats

        The default Cmder install on it's own is an amazing improvement on cmd.exe, but you can do a lot of customizing... take a look at this tutorial for an ideahttps://gist.github.com/jchandra74/5b0c94385175c7a8d1cb39bc5157365e …

        1 reply 3 retweets 8 likes
      4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @mgasparel @marcusnielsen

        I second Cmder.

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      5. Marcus Nielsen‏ @marcusnielsen Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats @mgasparel

        Is there a main reason to use cmder over cmd/powershell? Is it to be able to run other people's bash commands, or to get some other functionality?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Mike Gasparelli‏ @mgasparel Mar 14
        Replying to @marcusnielsen @wycats

        Cmder sits on top of your terminal of preference. It simply provides quality-of-life improvements and configurability beyond what is possible in the base terminal.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @mgasparel @marcusnielsen

        This.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. End of conversation
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      2. Stefan Wrobel‏ @swrobel Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats

        Am I victim-blaming if I say maybe the Windows dev community bears a significant amount of responsibility for not porting tools to their platform?

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 14
        Replying to @swrobel

        Yes.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Henrik Johansson‏ @dahankzter Mar 14
        Replying to @wycats @swrobel

        Why is that victim blaming? They chose to use Windows...

        0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. End of conversation

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