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    1. David Humphrey‏ @humphd Mar 12

      Interested in finding platform-specific bugs in your software? Let a class of students who mostly use Windows (don't ask me why) try setting things up and running your tests. I promise you won't get through unscathed. Every project. Every time.

      4 replies 6 retweets 33 likes
    2. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist Mar 12
      Replying to @humphd

      Windows is all too often an afterthought in the open source world, but an enormous number of people in the world use it primarily or even exclusively. I’ve found simply announcing I *care* about the Windows experience brings grateful devs out of the woodwork.

      3 replies 6 retweets 19 likes
    3. David Humphrey‏ @humphd Mar 12
      Replying to @littlecalculist

      'The inverse between "people using computers mostly use Windows" and "developers mostly don't use Windows" is amazing, yes' --the man typing on his Mac... Caring about Windows is a proxy for caring about people who do things differently than you. It's a great practice.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist Mar 12
      Replying to @humphd

      I’m not even sure it’s true that developers use mostly non-Windows. I wonder what the percentages look like eg amongst programmers in developing countries.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
      Replying to @littlecalculist @humphd

      You can imagine that maybe there aren't a lot of windows contributors to OSS projects because it literally doesn't work and not because the pool of developers naturally gravitates towards OSX. Could be. Possibly. Who knows?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Dave Methvin‏ @davemethvin Mar 12
      Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist @humphd

      Come over to the east coast and you'll find that there's more Windows than Mac. And yes that makes open source work harder, especially when teaching.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
      Replying to @davemethvin @littlecalculist @humphd

      Less tongue in cheek: People seem to think that contributors "naturally" use Macs, and therefore we don't need to worry too much about the Windows contribs (who, they think, don't exist). In reality, prospective Windows contributors are bouncing off the process every day.

      10:53 AM - 12 Mar 2018
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        2. zofrex‏ @zofrex Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats @davemethvin and

          If we want to be more accessible to Windows devs where do we start? Are there any assumptions reasonable to make about their systems and if so, which? (Powershell? Linux on Windows? Cygwin? Do they have Git? A working C compiler? SSH client?)

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
          Replying to @zofrex @davemethvin and

          I think Powershell is a good assumption. Powershell w/ admin is worth pushing people to as a performance optimization (as baseline, copy files, but print a message telling people perf will be better with admin, and use symlinks in admin)

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex and

          I think it's safe to ask people to download git (MSVC installers provide it, last I checked). Support chocolatey if you can.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex and

          Microsoft's OSS projects like @code and @typescriptlang are great places to look for best practices. The devs who work on those projects are super-friendly and will help you out.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex and

          /cc @auchenberg and @drosenwasser are great!

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex and

          SSH comes with the very latest Windows (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/12/microsoft-quietly-snuck-an-ssh-client-and-server-into-the-latest-windows-10/ …) but I'd only depend on the user installing ssh if you want the user to use ssh directly. Otherwise, libssh is better.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex and

          Even for git, cargo uses libgit2 so that users who aren't trying to use Git directly can still get the Cargo registry and get bleeding-edge packages from github. I think this is a good practice.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. zofrex‏ @zofrex Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats @davemethvin and

          Awesome pointers, thank you!

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        2. Ben Gracewood‏ @nzben Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats @davemethvin and

          The work that Microsoft is doing with the Linux Subystem and Bash is pretty incredible. Our entire dev stack is Mac/Linux, but I can largely get it working on Windows without issue. Docker is currently the blocker, but only because I've spent no time on it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 12
          Replying to @nzben @davemethvin and

          I think that WSL will eventually be a game changer, but: 1. sometimes people are actually building Windows apps. We shouldn't abandon those people. 2. at the moment, it rarely works well enough to serve as a replacement for some reason, so don't rely on it

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        1. Andreas Monitzer‏ @anlumo1 Mar 12
          Replying to @wycats

          ember is the only thing I’m still using the Linux subsystem for when developing, everything else I use runs natively.

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