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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 8

      It seems like the reason #SmooshGate blew up is that someone proposed "smoosh", nobody immediately shut it down, and it turned into a proxy fight over people's pre-existing feelings about the abstract question of "how much breakage is acceptable", right?

      10 replies 6 retweets 54 likes
    2. Evan Jacobs‏ @probablyup Mar 8
      Replying to @wycats

      It blew up because many people don't want the web to be beholden to tech debt introduced by questionable past decisions.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 8
      Replying to @probablyup

      I think that's just too abstract of a point, and one basically everyone agrees with in some way.

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    4. Evan Jacobs‏ @probablyup Mar 8
      Replying to @wycats

      There definitely seems to be a disconnect on the perceived expectation that the web should be backward compatible forever. I’m curious who started this thought, because I’ve been in this industry for a while and never felt that entitlement.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 8
      Replying to @probablyup

      Browser vendors don't want to break existing content because people will switch browsers (or complain) if things stop working. Most sites aren't maintained (so nobody to feel "entitled"). This seems reasonable to me as a non-vendor.

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    6. Evan Jacobs‏ @probablyup Mar 8
      Replying to @wycats

      Yes but in this case the site would stop working because of a library doing a nonstandard thing. Browsers shouldn't have to consider that in their calculus of moving the platform forward.

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 8
      Replying to @probablyup

      The site is doing something that was supported across all browsers in the same way, and they don't want to stop it from working. Standards reflect shipping/shippable reality, so if a vendor doesn't want to break content, it won't be standardized.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Mar 8
      Replying to @wycats @probablyup

      I also think a desire to avoid breaking content for your users is reasonable.

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        1. Evan Jacobs‏ @probablyup Mar 8
          Replying to @wycats

          Thankfully this particular issue can be avoided with a simple name change, but it does expose a rift in expectations and I think will prove itself a long-term burden.

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