We're all learning, all the time. How can you be proud to say that someone doesn't belong simply because they don't yet have a particular piece of knowledge? My pride comes from opening up our craft to anyone who wants to hone it. Exclude people at your peril.https://twitter.com/ppk/status/963850873003757569 …
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I see your first point, but it would be naive to assume that a pro basketball player would not benefit from knowing the physics of it. And chances are that the very best do, and take that to their advantage
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Original tweet was "I'm proud of saying they don't belong in our craft". It's true that people benefit from knowing the deeper truths of their craft, but in this context, basketball players "belong" even if they don't know the physics. How can people learn if they don't belong?
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that's a sentence of a tweet taken out of context. That said, I do not agree with the gatekeeping at all, but I do understand where he's coming from. Part of my day involves telling other front-end developers how a browser works, and sometimes it's frustrating
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I don't think it's out of context. He said that if you don't already know how to use <link>, he's proud of saying they don't belong in our craft. I don't know what context you're saying I'm missing.
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The context is that everybody was attacking him because he said a developer should know how a browser works, and then he made the “craft” tweet.
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So if you’re being attacked and belittled by an angry mob, you’ll probably say and do things you don’t really mean
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Can you show me where he said he didn't read it? I see a bunch of tweets on his timeline where he doubled down.
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Not sure what you’re referring to, but this is what I’m referring to:pic.twitter.com/5k2ISSd3Kt
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I don’t think we can call a link html spec. It just basic basic knowledge and it seems logical to know about link elements and how to include a stylesheet before learning angular and async await.
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The original example was about people using JS imports to pull in stylesheets. This doesn't strike me as evidence that kids these days lack basic knowledge, but rather that they learned a perfectly viable, production-quality solution to accomplish the same thing.
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Of course it’s a solution among others but what bothers
@ppk and I can only agree with him is that knowing js imports before knowing about links seem a bit odd. Most js frameworks start their getting started page by “we assume you know about html and js bla-bla-bla“.
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Why. Is. This. So. Hard. For. So. Many. People. Judge developers by what they build, not how much 1996-era web fundamentals they know offhand.
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<marquee> <blink> Not hard at all, there's some pretty awful stuff in there. </blink> </marquee> If it works in the browser, is accessible, and performant, nobody cares what part of the spec you're using.
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Nobody except bygone relics who are consistently pissed their skillset from the 90's aren't quite good enough to build modern web apps.
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That is been one very interesting thing about this industry is it doesn’t feel very approachable for new comers...I’m here to change that
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At the "other end", you can also work very well with a RDBMS without extensive SQL knowledge. Maybe in both cases there are benefits to deeper knowledge, but there's nothing essential about it.
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"but to master the web you need a good understanding of browsers" Sure. But imo it just depends on the goal you're pursuing. Some devs are developing for the purpose of coding. Others for the purpose of creating stuff on the internet. 1/2
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I will always be more fascinated by someone who tries to create a meaningful project, whatever the way he does it, and figuring how to solve step by step particular issues. Even if that person don't know you can use link for css after all. Who fucking cares ? (Investors ? lmao)
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