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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Feb 14

    Yehuda Katz  🥨 Retweeted ppk  🇪🇺

    We're all learning, all the time. How can you be proud to say that someone doesn't belong simply because they don't yet have a particular piece of knowledge? My pride comes from opening up our craft to anyone who wants to hone it. Exclude people at your peril.https://twitter.com/ppk/status/963850873003757569 …

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    ppk  🇪🇺 @ppk
    Replying to @chriseppstein
    If people who don't know you can use a <link> tag can call themselves front-end developers nowadays I'm proud of saying they don't belong in our craft.
    5:52 PM - 14 Feb 2018
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      2. Patrick Schutz‏ @SchutzPatrick Feb 14
        Replying to @wycats

        I think the argument is not that we should exclude developers but rather learning the basics should be encouraged, not looked at as lesser. We should emphasize a good foundation. Being a wizard of ES2017 is all good but to master the web you need a good understanding of browsers.

        4 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Feb 14
        Replying to @SchutzPatrick

        You can be a professional basketball player without understanding the physics of basketball. You can be a professional web developer without knowing the HTML spec. If the tools help you think at a higher level, god bless them.

        7 replies 15 retweets 119 likes
      4. Alan‏ @bitforth Feb 15
        Replying to @wycats @SchutzPatrick

        I see your first point, but it would be naive to assume that a pro basketball player would not benefit from knowing the physics of it. And chances are that the very best do, and take that to their advantage

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Feb 15
        Replying to @bitforth @alanchavezv @SchutzPatrick

        Original tweet was "I'm proud of saying they don't belong in our craft". It's true that people benefit from knowing the deeper truths of their craft, but in this context, basketball players "belong" even if they don't know the physics. How can people learn if they don't belong?

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      6. Alan‏ @bitforth Feb 15
        Replying to @wycats @SchutzPatrick

        that's a sentence of a tweet taken out of context. That said, I do not agree with the gatekeeping at all, but I do understand where he's coming from. Part of my day involves telling other front-end developers how a browser works, and sometimes it's frustrating

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Feb 15
        Replying to @bitforth @alanchavezv @SchutzPatrick

        I don't think it's out of context. He said that if you don't already know how to use <link>, he's proud of saying they don't belong in our craft. I don't know what context you're saying I'm missing.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Alan‏ @bitforth Feb 16
        Replying to @wycats @SchutzPatrick

        The context is that everybody was attacking him because he said a developer should know how a browser works, and then he made the “craft” tweet.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Alan‏ @bitforth Feb 16
        Replying to @bitforth @wycats @SchutzPatrick

        So if you’re being attacked and belittled by an angry mob, you’ll probably say and do things you don’t really mean

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Nicholas Griffin‏ @NGRIFFINtn Feb 15
        Replying to @wycats

        I agree, the best thing about development is that it is full of different ideas, closing people off just reduces that. As I've said to other people before, every developer has to use stack overflow or Mozilla mdn at some point, we are all always learning.

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Michael Kühnel‏ @mkuehnel Feb 15
        Replying to @NGRIFFINtn @wycats

        At some point? I’m using @MozDevNet each and every single day 😎

        1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      4. Nicholas Griffin‏ @NGRIFFINtn Feb 15
        Replying to @mkuehnel @wycats @MozDevNet

        Same here to be honest 😂, it's a great site from Mozilla.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. MDN Web Docs‏Verified account @MozDevNet Feb 15
        Replying to @NGRIFFINtn @mkuehnel @wycats

        Thank you! We're so happy to be of service!

        1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
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      1. Fran‏ @nflamel Feb 14
        Replying to @wycats

        Luckily for us all this craft has grown (and is growing everyday) beyond thinking you need to memorize a set of tags to belong into it.

        0 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
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      1. Costa  🍋  👉 🥤‏ @cnicolaou Feb 15
        Replying to @wycats

        Costa  🍋  👉 🥤 Retweeted Layale Matta

        Thishttps://twitter.com/yalematta/status/963877354509651968 …

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        This pic.twitter.com/34n5wtAXeQ
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      1. Matt Styles‏ @personalurban Feb 15
        Replying to @wycats

        Totally agree, constantly learning and be open to learning to key in any discipline

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      1. Captain Obvious ⚛‏ @ashr Feb 15
        Replying to @wycats

        This response is the reason I joined the Rails community 10 years ago.

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      2. Alan‏ @bitforth Feb 15
        Replying to @wycats

        I have mixed feelings about this for a bunch of reasons. There are basic fundamental things that a front end developer should know if they want to go to the next level. But gate keeping is bad.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Alan‏ @bitforth Feb 15
        Replying to @bitforth @wycats

        So if a frontend developer doesn’t understand how the browser works, why http/2 is a step forward or why tools like webpack exist... sure I’ll tell that developer why, but some people commenting the thread treat that knowledge as archaic/useless

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      1. Guillermo Iguaran‏ @guilleiguaran Feb 17
        Replying to @wycats

        After many years working as developer I learned that you can use <link> tag for things different than stylesheets while implementing a helper for <link rel="preload"/> on Rails core a couple of months ago:https://github.com/rails/rails/pull/31251 …

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