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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11

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    Hint, I would not call a style that can only be used effectively with a linting tool "Standard JavaScript"https://twitter.com/wycats/status/951554865695662080 …

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    People who maintain such a linting tool can feel free to recommend a style that works well with the tool, as long as they advocate that the style is only used with a linter that mitigates the hazards.
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      2. Trump Developer‏ @Trump_Developer Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        You've got these developers running wild omitting semicolons and it's a HUGE mess. The problem is developers are too sloppy to write good code anymore, developers these days have it TOO EASY- this is not good. Use semicolons or quit JavaScript. Rules are rules!

        2 replies 3 retweets 12 likes
      3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich Jan 25
        Replying to @Trump_Developer @wycats

        Use @standardjs and chill.

        1 reply 6 retweets 22 likes
      4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 25
        Replying to @BrendanEich @Trump_Developer @StandardJS

        With a linter plz.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich Jan 25
        Replying to @wycats @StandardJS

        Standard.js is a linter (built on eslint). It lints. What am I missing?

        2 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
      6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 25
        Replying to @BrendanEich @StandardJS

        It's a style (see https://standardjs.com/ ) that also has a linter you can use to enforce the style. You should use it.

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 25
        Replying to @wycats @BrendanEich @StandardJS

        I occasionally encounter people who use the style guide without the linter. This seems like madness to me.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich Jan 25
        Replying to @wycats @StandardJS

        That goes against their own docs. One big reason people use checked standard.js (and the reason for the cheeky name) is for uniform style across a team.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Chris Dickinson‏ @isntitvacant Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        I mean, I was writing semicolonless JS far in advance of using a linter. You don't need standard to not use semicolons.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Chris Dickinson‏ @isntitvacant Jan 11
        Replying to @isntitvacant @wycats

        At a lang level, semicolon use in JS is about as surprising as semicolonless implicit return in Rust. Hard for a week, but natural after.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
        Replying to @isntitvacant

        The reason TC39 issued the recommendation is that there are new hazards and there will be more in the future. So there's nothing to memorize anymore. You gotta use a tool.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Chris Dickinson‏ @isntitvacant Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        I don't think this accurately captures how people interact with the language. It's no more memorization than any other part of using any programming language.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Chris Dickinson‏ @isntitvacant Jan 11
        Replying to @isntitvacant @wycats

        That is, not using semicolons shapes how you speak the language; in practice it's not a checklist of gotchas, it's what utterances people consider natural. So, while tools will catch up, I don't think people lean on them, & I don't think TC39 should do more than forewarn.

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      1. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich Jan 29
        Replying to @wycats

        I missed this. *All* JS styles including semicolon-heavy C style require linting at scale. Period full stop. Sorry if already known :-|.

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      1. Mark Brown  ☕‏ @markbrown4 Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        Learning to never start a line with (, [, or ` does not require a tool. I use the tool because it catches lots of bugs, `no-unused-vars` mostly.

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      1. Pratik Chaudhary‏ @_abszero Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        why not use prettier and be done with it?

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      1. Ricardo Tomasi‏ @ricardobeat Jan 29
        Replying to @wycats

        isn't the whole source of this the new class syntax that is ambiguous without a semicolon, and thus dangerous to use without a linter?

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      1. Ricardo Tomasi‏ @ricardobeat Jan 29
        Replying to @wycats

        8 years semicolon-free without a linter. You need a linter just as much with any style.

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      1. Stephen Belanger‏ @stephenbelanger Jan 25
        Replying to @wycats

        Discouraging the omission of semi-colons due to the lack of linter use seems to me like the wrong issue. Really we should be discouraging the use of JavaScript, in any form, without the use of a linter.

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