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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11

    From TC39's perspective, it does not make sense for us to recommend a JavaScript style that requires using a linting tool.

    12:42 PM - 11 Jan 2018
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      1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11

        People who maintain such a linting tool can feel free to recommend a style that works well with the tool, as long as they advocate that the style is only used with a linter that mitigates the hazards.

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      2. Chris Freeman‏ @15lettermax Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        “But standardjs doesn’t do it this way” was an *incredibly* strange argument to see in the context of discussing the actual language spec.

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
        Replying to @15lettermax

        Good reason to not call it "standardjs"

        1 reply 4 retweets 26 likes
      4. Andrea Giammarchi‏ @WebReflection Jan 12
        Replying to @wycats @15lettermax

        directly from my good old open letter post 😅 ... how I've always seen that project's name https://hackernoon.com/an-open-letter-to-javascript-leaders-regarding-no-semicolons-82cec422d67d …pic.twitter.com/3re8jWuRe0

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      1. Rick Waldron‏ @rwaldron Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        As someone who is both A) a representative on TC39, and B) a maintainer of a linting tool: I agree with both of your tweets, with no exceptions

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      2. Kevin Caravaggio‏ @kevvurs Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        I just had Edge refuse to render my whole site potentially over a trailing comma #SCRIPT1028

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      3. ΛNGUS  🎃‏ @Angus_KST Jan 12
        Replying to @kevvurs @wycats

        Was it in function arguments? If so keep in kind those haven’t always been a feature and it’s possible it hasn’t been implemented in edge yet

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Kevin Caravaggio‏ @kevvurs Jan 12
        Replying to @Angus_KST @wycats

        Looks like there's an open issue for what I am experiencing:https://github.com/glimmerjs/glimmer.js/issues/8 …

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      2. Jason Karns‏ @jasonkarns Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        I disagree with the assertion that either semicolons or semicolonless _require_ a linter

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      3. Jason Karns‏ @jasonkarns Jan 11
        Replying to @jasonkarns @wycats

        semicolon style _requires_ a linting tool in the same way that standardjs style requires one: when a semicolon was omitted but necessary

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Marcus Nielsen‏ @marcusnielsen Jan 12
        Replying to @jasonkarns @wycats

        Example: return myVal; Will be: return; // ASI myVal; The problem I have with ASI is that I need to know how it works, no matter what style I use, or I can get bugs. Same thing with var/let/const and lambda bodies/expressions. The last one is my most common day-to-day bug.

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      5. axnyff‏ @axnyff Jan 12
        Replying to @marcusnielsen @jasonkarns @wycats

        I disagree, the ASI is simply a syntax correcting mechanism. The return statement does not allow a line terminator: https://www.ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/#sec-12.9 …

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      6. Marcus Nielsen‏ @marcusnielsen Jan 12
        Replying to @axnyff @jasonkarns @wycats

        Are you disagreeing with the need to know how ASI works? And as evidence you link to how it works..? Sorry, I'm a bit sick today, so maybe I'm misunderstanding.

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      7. axnyff‏ @axnyff Jan 12
        Replying to @marcusnielsen @jasonkarns @wycats

        I am linking towards the syntax of the return statement. The rules of the ASI are that it kicks in whenever there's an "offending token". IMHO, you don't really need to know how the ASI works, just know the syntax. That might be cherry picking sorry if so

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      8. Jason Karns‏ @jasonkarns Jan 12
        Replying to @axnyff @marcusnielsen @wycats

        since omitting ; doesn’t generate a runtime err, i proffer that you *do indeed* need to know about/how ASI works. regardless of style choice

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      9. Jason Karns‏ @jasonkarns Jan 12
        Replying to @jasonkarns @axnyff and

        as longs as ASI exists, using or not using semicolons doesn’t change your safety either style you choose, you need a linter: either a no-semi linter to warn when you missed one that _matters_ or a semi-linter that warns when you miss one _anywhere_

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      1. Matthew Maxwell‏ @matthew_maxwell Jan 29
        Replying to @wycats

        Do you have an example? I’m having trouble understanding how any JS style would *require* a linter.

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      1. Tamzin Blake ⚧‏ @tamzinblake Jan 11
        Replying to @wycats

        No JS style literally requires using a linting tool, but regardless of style, a linting tool is a "must have" for JS - they can catch a bunch of problems that are hard to spot in any style.

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