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Tilde Co-Founder, OSS enthusiast and world traveler.

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    1. Ryan Paul  🍞‏ @segphault Jan 10

      Ryan Paul  🍞 Retweeted toshok

      My goal for personal Node projects is to keep the dependency graph thin enough that I could reasonably hand-audit every line of third-party code. I'm increasingly convinced everyone should do this. End the bloat.https://twitter.com/toshok/status/951150882778906625 …

      Ryan Paul  🍞 added,

      toshok @toshok
      2018 is the year of npm dep zero. who's with me?
      6 replies 21 retweets 65 likes
    2. markprobst‏ @markprobst Jan 10
      Replying to @segphault

      You mean apart from the code in Node itself? And V8, I guess. And all its dependencies. And the C and C++ standard libraries. And the OS kernel.

      3 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
    3. Ryan Paul  🍞‏ @segphault Jan 10
      Replying to @markprobst

      Indeed. Unlike the contents of npm, there are presumably groups of people reviewing that code and making sure internet randos aren't putting in whatever they want.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
      Replying to @segphault @markprobst

      That would be a false assumption.

      1 reply 0 retweets 15 likes
    5. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale Jan 11
      Replying to @wycats @segphault @markprobst

      It sounds like our 2018 resolution should be "use npm packages that have groups of people who review the code" then, not "only use as many dependencies as you can hand audit." 😁

      3 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
    6. Ryan Paul  🍞‏ @segphault Jan 11
      Replying to @tomdale @wycats @markprobst

      I would love for npm packages to be subject to literally any standard of responsible curation. Saying that I shouldn’t care because V8 also has contributors is not a useful argument.

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Ryan Paul  🍞‏ @segphault Jan 11
      Replying to @segphault @tomdale and

      I don’t have to worry about my doctor getting replaced by a malicious imposter who brute forced a weak password and surreptitiously updated

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
      Replying to @segphault @tomdale @markprobst

      Do you check that the doctor you see at the clinic isn't an imposter?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Ryan Paul  🍞‏ @segphault Jan 11
      Replying to @wycats @tomdale @markprobst

      I go to a reputable clinic that vets the people who work there, which is not something npm does with its contents

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
      Replying to @segphault @tomdale @markprobst

      Does your clinic carefully vet the provenance of every equipment and drug delivery?

      10:08 AM - 11 Jan 2018
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        2. Scary Mary Branscombe‏ @marypcbuk Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats @segphault and

          yes, there are chains of trust, regulatory authorities and spot checks for those things in health; what does OSS have that's equivalent?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @marypcbuk @segphault and

          There's stuff like https://www.emberjs.com/security/ . And before you ask, yes, we get security reports and handle them using industry best practices.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Scary Mary Branscombe‏ @marypcbuk Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats @segphault and

          but as far as I know there isn't a lot of things like the Linux Foundation critical infra project work going through the chain of trust

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Scary Mary Branscombe‏ @marypcbuk Jan 11
          Replying to @marypcbuk @wycats and

          I think issue is it falls on indiv devs and teams to do so much binary entity reputation management & tools like WhiteSource aren't common

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Scary Mary Branscombe‏ @marypcbuk Jan 11
          Replying to @marypcbuk @wycats and

          so there isn't an equivalent of those industry-wide chains of trust that are there in your healthcare metaphor

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Scary Mary Branscombe‏ @marypcbuk Jan 11
          Replying to @marypcbuk @wycats and

          whether it's Node hit a CoC bump and forked itself again or an npm package, it's a burden on devs to know how many turtles down to look

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @marypcbuk @segphault and

          I think my healthcare metaphor is too strong (and sloppy) in large part because of how seriously people take medicine. A closer analogy might be construction. Nobody really knows which workers and materials go into a house, but it's ok.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats @marypcbuk and

          Most domains don't have the kind of chain of trust requirements that you're describing, and for good reason. Software in finance and health are subject to more serious restrictions but mostly use coarse grained approaches around data exfiltration.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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