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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11

      Every time someone claims that "the problem" with software is too many dependencies, they're really arguing for software to remain at the "leeches for blood letting" stage of evolution. In all industries, we stand on the shoulders of giants by abstracting what we already know.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11

      I think it's reasonable to ask that we do a better job of identifying the equivalent of "experimental treatments" so people can do a proper risk assessment, but assuming that "everything published to npm" is automatically suspect is not the right heuristic.

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        2. Miss Anne Throppe‏ @kennethmayer Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats

          The threat model is that unknown actors can deliver malicious code to a public repository that can't be easily reviewed (the build process is obscured: uglified javascript pushed to npm not matching the source code). We shouldn't use "compiled" objects from untrusted sources.

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @kennethmayer

          You mean the "I'm stealing your passwords" blog post?

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        4. Miss Anne Throppe‏ @kennethmayer Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats

          Well, that's what I was thinking about yes. Good dependency management is critical to scaling any project, not reducing the number of dependencies. The whole minification, tree shaking, optimizing size problems in JS make me grouchy because compilers do this thing quite well.

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @kennethmayer

          How is that different from depending on a PPA?

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        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats @kennethmayer

          fwiw I think shipping minified code is not the right answer and I hope it goes away.

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        7. Miss Anne Throppe‏ @kennethmayer Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats

          I hope so, too. It is such a terrible hacky wart. For npm to build trust... anything that is shipped minified should be compiled by http://npm.org  from source code. I surprised that it wasn't.

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        2. Jason Karns‏ @jasonkarns Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats

          distinguishing which shoulders are giants and which are randos, then

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @jasonkarns

          Usually the giants are collective.

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        1. (identity [:pankaj :λ])‏ @pankajdoharey Jan 12
          Replying to @wycats

          In all honesty do you never try to keep the number of gems used in your rails app to a minimum? Well if you do that's what people mean by dependency. If the gems are not maintained in future release we are stuck maintaining it ourselves. Depending on frm/wk and stdlib is useful.

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