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Tilde Co-Founder, OSS enthusiast and world traveler.

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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 10
      Replying to @zofrex @aleattorium

      Is there a post somewhere where an expert offers suggestions to change the contest to be more acceptable?

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    2. zofrex‏ @zofrex Jan 10
      Replying to @wycats @aleattorium

      This is a pretty good explanation of why the original contest was meaningless https://moxie.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ …

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 10
      Replying to @zofrex @aleattorium

      It sounds like they updated the challenge in response to criticism. Have people described their concerns with the new contest?

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    4. zofrex‏ @zofrex Jan 10
      Replying to @wycats @aleattorium

      Why? If someone tries to straight up *CON* people, why is that not enough to run screaming in the opposite direction? Life's too short to do free work, and being subjected to a torrent of abuse and attacks on your reputation by the CEO is the only reward for analysing telegram

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    5. zofrex‏ @zofrex Jan 10
      Replying to @zofrex @wycats @aleattorium

      Anyway there's more here than I can unpack in tweets, and I need to go sleep. I understand your frustration with the lack of details, I think I do at least. I'll attempt to write longer about it in the morning :)

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 10
      Replying to @zofrex @aleattorium

      I'm excited to see it. For reals. I think it's useful to avoid freely swapping between "incompetence" and "malice" when analyzing what people are doing 😀

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    7. zofrex‏ @zofrex Jan 11
      Replying to @wycats @aleattorium

      I need to apologise twice. One for this being 4,500 words and very rambly. I hope it still makes some kind of sense. Two for this containing nothing that you asked for ;) but hopefully it explains why you aren't getting that. https://txt.fyi/+/9c1ca7c5/ 

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    8. zofrex‏ @zofrex Jan 11
      Replying to @zofrex @wycats @aleattorium

      IMPORTANT CAVEAT: This is just like, my opinion, man. I'm not a cryptographer, I'm a security engineer, and I've just absorbed information about crypto from HN and IRC. Everything I say could be completely wrong. I haven't yet gotten peer review on this.

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
      Replying to @zofrex @aleattorium

      I'm gonna keep reading despite your assumption that building web stuff is easy, but we should have another conversation about that ;)

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    10. zofrex‏ @zofrex Jan 11
      Replying to @wycats @aleattorium

      I have far more experience building web stuff than doing security or crypto, btw :P

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
      Replying to @zofrex @aleattorium

      At minimum, building web stuff involves a knowledge of subtle interactions involving security (as well as precisely how finicky crypto can be) ;) I was on the Rails security team for a while and saw this stuff first hand. We were dealing with timing attacks 10 years ago ;)

      7:29 AM - 11 Jan 2018
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex @aleattorium

          some variant "how cute, he thinks he understands security" would not be the correct response here ;) ;) ;)

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        3. zofrex‏ @zofrex Jan 11
          Replying to @wycats @aleattorium

          didn't know you were on the security team, many apologies for the 2/3 of the document that patronised your face off :

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        4. zofrex‏ @zofrex Jan 11
          Replying to @zofrex @wycats @aleattorium

          and yes building web stuff requires understanding security interactions but low-level crypto is on another level of fragility imo, and knowing that isn't usually required to build a website (nor should it be!)

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 11
          Replying to @zofrex @aleattorium

          I was referring to building web infra like rails not building a website, which should of course lean on existing tools.

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