Anyway there's more here than I can unpack in tweets, and I need to go sleep. I understand your frustration with the lack of details, I think I do at least. I'll attempt to write longer about it in the morning :)
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Replying to @zofrex @aleattorium
I'm excited to see it. For reals. I think it's useful to avoid freely swapping between "incompetence" and "malice" when analyzing what people are doing
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Replying to @wycats @aleattorium
I need to apologise twice. One for this being 4,500 words and very rambly. I hope it still makes some kind of sense. Two for this containing nothing that you asked for ;) but hopefully it explains why you aren't getting that. https://txt.fyi/+/9c1ca7c5/
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IMPORTANT CAVEAT: This is just like, my opinion, man. I'm not a cryptographer, I'm a security engineer, and I've just absorbed information about crypto from HN and IRC. Everything I say could be completely wrong. I haven't yet gotten peer review on this.
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Replying to @zofrex @aleattorium
I'm gonna keep reading despite your assumption that building web stuff is easy, but we should have another conversation about that ;)
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I'm sad that anything I said made it sound like I thought crypto wasn't very very hard or that it's reasonable to assume a particular new crypto algorithm works.
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"I know it looks like we're being pedantic or even cliquey, but what's really happening is they've spotted a fatal flaw in the crypto." I don't feel anyone is being cliquey and I interpreted the first round of critiques in exactly this way.
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I'm finding your post here problematic in much the same way as I was originally bothered by but there's more signal here (no pun intended).
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"If a 12 year old comes into your IRC channel with their homegrown encryption algorithm, no-one's going to care when you break it, because no one thought it was sound in the first place." This is not a 12 yo. It's one of the most popular chat programs in the world.
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And given that 1. people were interested in showing flaws in MTProto1, and 2. they cared enough to attempt to fix them in MTProto2, it seems like there's a reason to check MTProto2 and I bet papers would be accepted at conferences.
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The incentives to debunk a 12 year old on an IRC channel are low. The incentives to find flaws in software used by hundreds of millions of people is demonstrably huge.
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