Why? If someone tries to straight up *CON* people, why is that not enough to run screaming in the opposite direction? Life's too short to do free work, and being subjected to a torrent of abuse and attacks on your reputation by the CEO is the only reward for analysing telegram
And given that 1. people were interested in showing flaws in MTProto1, and 2. they cared enough to attempt to fix them in MTProto2, it seems like there's a reason to check MTProto2 and I bet papers would be accepted at conferences.
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(I also understood the part about there being a large gap between flaw and vuln, also see Spectre)
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Hey, so like... please don't infer too much about how I think about you precisely from this. You were asleep while I wrote it, I couldn't sound out your views, so it's a more general-audience argument :)
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Fair enough. I either don't like how you characterized my views or don't think you did such a good job of debunking them :p
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I think the difference between our mental models comes down to this: You're acting like telegram is a crank 12 year old flying rockets based on flat Earth theory so they can be safely ignored. I think of them (accurately) as one of the top chat programs in the world.
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Both can be true! 1) deploying crank crypto to millions of people doesn't stop it being crank crypto 2) how many of those millions even use the crypto? it's off by default. Can't be turned on for group messages. Most Telegram chats are going plaintext.
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So if you want to play the "millions of users" card, well, they're using plaintext, that's the end of the discussion. No crypto conference is going to accept your submission on breaking that! * by plaintext I mean "client-server encryption" which is tbh VERY SLOPPY on my part
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You should strive to avoid sloppiness that serves to add rhetorical heft to a weaker argument ;)
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The incentives to debunk a 12 year old on an IRC channel are low. The incentives to find flaws in software used by hundreds of millions of people is demonstrably huge.
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