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    1. Sebastian Markbåge‏ @sebmarkbage Jan 3
      Replying to @sebmarkbage @wycats

      One exception is scrolling and things like position: sticky. That's an area where browsers focused on using their leverage to build one UI component well. (Although they also didn't give us the control to fix it ourselves.) But that's just one of many features that needs fixing.

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    2. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn Jan 3
      Replying to @sebmarkbage @wycats

      Couldn't agree more with Seb here. WC relatively was never what developers wanted but what some browsers wanted to try and work around _them_ needing to solve the above problem. Better primitives are what developers want and need, at the platform level, not API/WC level.

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    3. Sebastian Markbåge‏ @sebmarkbage Jan 3
      Replying to @TheLarkInn @wycats

      It might be possible for developers to solve this in user space but what we need is not WC/convenience APIs. We need access. Access to compositor threads, access to cache, access to hardware, access to local data, access to OS level UI outside the browser frame...

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    4. Sebastian Markbåge‏ @sebmarkbage Jan 3
      Replying to @sebmarkbage @TheLarkInn @wycats

      These are hard problems to solve while also retaining the security model of the browser. Therefore it is probably *easier* for the browsers to just do it themselves.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. TreyScript‏ @treshugart Jan 3
      Replying to @sebmarkbage @TheLarkInn @wycats

      I think these two ideas are orthogonal. Objectively, WC have a legitimate use case for many and I think we'll see more of this as time goes on. Exposing other useful APIs, such as access to hardware, can co-exist. Maybe in terms of priority the latter would have been more useful.

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    6. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson Jan 3
      Replying to @treshugart @sebmarkbage and

      I agree with Trey here. Even with all of that access, you'd still need a way to tell the system that you're making a new element type. WC let you express that. It's literally just telling the parser to instantiate a class. the class can do whatever.

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    7. TreyScript‏ @treshugart Jan 3
      Replying to @rob_dodson @sebmarkbage and

      Could be that what he was talking about was how shadow DOM tries to do allthethings?

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    8. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn Jan 3
      Replying to @treshugart @rob_dodson and

      It's because of composition and layout and formatting that in it's current state requires Dom isolation to be coupled to CSS isolation.

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 3
      Replying to @TheLarkInn @treshugart and

      That's an implementation problem. The consequence of letting the tail wag the dog is none of Ember, Angular, React or Vue uses web components as their component isolation story. And none of them have even really prioritized great interop. Years have gone by.

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    10. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson Jan 3
      Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

      Not sure I fully grokked what you were saying there but I know Angular folks have been working on web components interop quite a lot.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Jan 3
      Replying to @rob_dodson @TheLarkInn and

      None of those frameworks wants to adopt the WC isolation model and migrate from our existing isolation models. By good interop, I mean defining ecosystem wide standards for props/attrs (is title={{binding}} binding to an attribute or property) and similar issues.

      7:12 PM - 3 Jan 2018
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        1. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson Jan 3
          Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn and

          I think @robwormald could speak more to the first point. To the second point, I've been trying to sort that stuff out. Things like http://custom-elements-everywhere.com  and https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/web-components/best-practices … are very focused on figuring out what the right patterns are.

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