It's disconcerting to hear that some at TC39 are pushing back against decorators. @BrendanEich please tell me these rumors are unfounded nonsense. The major projects using decorators is endless, as is the pain of this feature being forever in limbo.
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Replying to @AdamRackis @BrendanEich
I am personally optimistic about moving decorators, but it does seem like there's endless demands to relitigate whether the feature is "well motivated" despite this already being decided when we advanced the stage 2. Other features don't have to prove themselves this often.
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Replying to @wycats @BrendanEich
It is literally inconceivable to me that anyone remotely familiar w/ the current JS ecosystem could conclude decorators are not "well motivated" I can't help but wonder if some people have idiosyncratic opinions against this feature, and are manufacturing opposition therefrom.
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What are the arguments against it? Why isn't it "well motivated"?
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The problem with an argument against on the basis of "well motivated" is nobody is required to make a strong argument against. They just have to say they don't find the arguments in favor compelling. It's impossible to defeat that argument through debate.
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something something ruling from the chair.
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Replying to @AdamRackis @wycats and
A lot of new people have entered the committee since decorators were first proposed. Not everyone comes from a JS ecosystem background--many implementers come from a systems programming background. I think a refresher of use cases and position in the ecosystem would be helpful.
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Replying to @littledan @wycats and
It seems terribly presumptuous and arrogant that this has to halt so newcomers can get a refresher course. Are new committee members really not expected to read up on this stuff before showing up?
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Replying to @AdamRackis @littledan and
Let us all take a moment. I do not believe newcomers involved. There may be a process foul in progress. More next week. In meanwhile don’t treat TC39 as a group mind. It isn’t!
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Replying to @BrendanEich @AdamRackis and
I don't think there's a cause for concern; I just started an email thread a few days ago asking if anyone would be interested in giving an overall decorators motivation presentation parallel to mine about spec details. Then, we could ask for Stage 3 reviewers.
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I think if we're committed to asking for Stage 3 reviewers in January, we're in good shape. If we need to have another debate about the motivation for some reason, let's just get it over with so we can move on.
I appreciate @littledan's effort at cat-herding here.
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