It's disconcerting to hear that some at TC39 are pushing back against decorators. @BrendanEich please tell me these rumors are unfounded nonsense. The major projects using decorators is endless, as is the pain of this feature being forever in limbo.
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It is literally inconceivable to me that anyone remotely familiar w/ the current JS ecosystem could conclude decorators are not "well motivated" I can't help but wonder if some people have idiosyncratic opinions against this feature, and are manufacturing opposition therefrom.
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What are the arguments against it? Why isn't it "well motivated"?
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The problem with an argument against on the basis of "well motivated" is nobody is required to make a strong argument against. They just have to say they don't find the arguments in favor compelling. It's impossible to defeat that argument through debate.
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something something ruling from the chair.
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A lot of new people have entered the committee since decorators were first proposed. Not everyone comes from a JS ecosystem background--many implementers come from a systems programming background. I think a refresher of use cases and position in the ecosystem would be helpful.
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It seems terribly presumptuous and arrogant that this has to halt so newcomers can get a refresher course. Are new committee members really not expected to read up on this stuff before showing up?
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Let us all take a moment. I do not believe newcomers involved. There may be a process foul in progress. More next week. In meanwhile don’t treat TC39 as a group mind. It isn’t!
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I don't think there's a cause for concern; I just started an email thread a few days ago asking if anyone would be interested in giving an overall decorators motivation presentation parallel to mine about spec details. Then, we could ask for Stage 3 reviewers.
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Sounds like an issue for the Chair to resolve.
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Will creator superpowers be involved, m'lord?
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I dislike decorators. They are “magical” to me. I like JavaScript more than other languages because of the explicitness of the code I write, and I don’t need an IDE. Decorators make it hard for me to know exactly what’s going on by just reading the code.
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