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    1. John Kennedy‏ @jhkennedy 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      ‘Yarn add package’ ‘Import package from “package”’ Without any other ceremony.

      5 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
    2. Lauren Tan  ✨ 😬 ✨‏ @sugarpirate_ 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @jhkennedy @wycats

      yes please.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      1: I would actually be delighted to see an RFC describing an implementation strategy (and would like to get this done as it's a top request).

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Chris Freeman‏ @15lettermax 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      Unless this is way more commonly understood than I realize, I feel like it’d be helpful to get some idea of why this is so hard in Ember to begin with when webpack + not that much config lets you import all the things

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Chris Freeman‏ @15lettermax 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @15lettermax @wycats and

      And I don’t mean “plz tell me why Ember is deficient” because obv I’m not of that opinion, but I def am not clear on all the historical reasons that make “import things from node_modules like everyone else can” such a big thing to tackle

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    6. Chris Freeman‏ @15lettermax 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @15lettermax @wycats and

      So I imagine some context might help to level-set expectations regarding what’s possible in the near and mid-term, and also to make non-core RFC authorship on this topic an easier thing to contribute to

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    7. Chris Thoburn‏ @Runspired 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @15lettermax @wycats and

      So while I do want this, the trouble is not knowing if - package is already minified or otherwise built in a way that would exclude it from certain build operations - package needs transpiled (and req features if so) - module format Webpack doesn't really solve this at all.

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    8. Chris Thoburn‏ @Runspired 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Runspired @15lettermax and

      Addons take the approach of declaring their build needs and features. This is much saner than top level config for apps of any size or complexity. If we restricted to only ES modules and followed app's ES config though... would be pretty 😊.

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    9. Chris Thoburn‏ @Runspired 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Runspired @15lettermax and

      But you still need (as addons have) the ability for dependencies to declare how they are built when needed.

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Runspired @15lettermax and

      Although that sometimes causes more trouble, for example when trying to apply ember target config across all add-ons (which is reasonable). I think @stefanpenner and @rwjblue think the solution is to work well w/ loose ES6 modules that already compiled out experimental features

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @Runspired and

      So compile away pre-stage-4 stuff, TypeScript etc. If the wider ecosystem was into that, it would indeed drastically simplify the problem.

      5:15 PM - 27 Dec 2017
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        2. Chris Freeman‏ @15lettermax 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @Runspired and

          Having spent equal time with ember addons and webpack configs, I like this in-between approach tbh. Tell me, the add-on author (in this case) what I need to target in order to hook into the rest of the Ember CLI build step and I’ll hit it

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @15lettermax @Runspired and

          Yeah it might be a good starting point. If you provide loose ES modules without experimental features and opt in, it'll just work without additional shenanigans

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Chris Freeman‏ @15lettermax 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @Runspired and

          That said, this does seem more like a solution for Ember addons rather than NPM packages that don’t know about ember to begin with. How do we get random 3rd party npm packages to “loose ES module” in a consistent way?

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @15lettermax @Runspired and

          Something like the modules key might work. But now you're starting to see the problem. I think we can go with something like "CJS modules export a single default export and have very specific/lossy tree shaking semantics" to make existing modules work.

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        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @15lettermax and

          It just doesn't turn out that there's a very trivial transformation, and even just looking at what browserify and webpack has done, there's been a lot of small iterations over the years that affect apps in very noticeable ways. Time for someone to write an RFC!

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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