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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Dec 2017

      If you use Ember or have used it in the past, what would it take for you to feel great about using it for your next new project (and recommending it to your friends for new projects)? Feel free to say "I'd already use it" but be honest :)

      105 replies 39 retweets 112 likes
    2. John Kennedy‏ @jhkennedy 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      ‘Yarn add package’ ‘Import package from “package”’ Without any other ceremony.

      5 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
    3. Lauren Tan  ✨ 😬 ✨‏ @sugarpirate_ 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @jhkennedy @wycats

      yes please.

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    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      1: I would actually be delighted to see an RFC describing an implementation strategy (and would like to get this done as it's a top request).

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      2: Some questions: - how to deal with browser/module/main/etc entry points (which should win, what should its semantics be) - is it ok for CJS modules to export just a default export with its exports as a data bag?

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      3: - for CJS, what kind of tree shaking is required (or is it ok to pull in the entire package) - how acceptable is it to end up with a lot of package duplicates? Is it tolerable? Would it be important to at least provide a warning? Does yarn --flat work?

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      4: I think people have a sense that we could just do what browserify would have done, which is definitely possible. I'd feel much better about it if someone wrote up an RFC at least exploring these questions.

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    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      5/5: fwiw, almost the entirety of why wrapper packages are needed in Ember today is because there is no persistent, long-lived defacto standard about these questions. We could live with whatever, I think, if we at least explored the questions and had answers.

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      (I hope this doesn't come off as dismissive or stalling; I'm hoping to unlock some effort by writing down what thorny issues have made this hard to do historically)

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

      Oh, and if the answer to any of the above is configuration: - let's design the config - we'd need to deal with how dependencies are supposed to deal with their own dependencies.

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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

          I'd also take near-term incremental improvement ideas.

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        3. mamadero‏ @mamadero 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

          Can we copy webpack? (Not all of it, just talking about their approach to all of the above)

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @mamadero @sugarpirate_ @jhkennedy

          If we wrote down the answers to the above, and the answer wasn't "webpack implementation details" then absolutely. Webpack's implementation details are in many ways the 2017-era defacto standard, so if we document it and use the same strategy, +1.

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mamadero and

          But "just copy webpack" is not an RFC :)

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        6. Richard Torruellas‏ @richardiii 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mamadero and

          might send a PR. I was also thinking, to answer the question above. Rollup + cjs plugin should be looked at too for what is preferred output

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        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @richardiii @mamadero and

          Rollup is in practice incompatible with CJS because it forces all modules into strict mode which literally doesn't work (Example: lots of sloppy modules rely on `this` inside of a function being the global) I've been bitten by this repeatedly in real world rollup projects.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Richard Torruellas‏ @richardiii 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mamadero and

          It was more the design choice of only consuming es modules, etc. A consideration.

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        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @richardiii @mamadero and

          Ah. I'm quite, quite sure that the people on this thread would reject that solution (at least based on the plain wording of their requests). But maybe it'll change over time.

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