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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @mamadero @RyanTablada and

      Yeah I'm excited to fix it as long as people working on alternatives avoid disparaging ED (and its users). I think @dgeb and Orbit have been shining examples on this front.

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    2. Dan Gebhardt‏ @dgeb 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @wycats @mamadero and

      Hey, thanks! I think there are a lot of good ideas to share in this space. And this next year we’ll be able to collaborate on shared primitives rather than focusing on separate silos.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. mamadero‏ @mamadero 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @dgeb @wycats and

      I think there is a lot that can be say already without waiting for the shared primitives. Talking about the current state would help others get involve or to actively debate alternatives.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Dan Gebhardt‏ @dgeb 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @mamadero @wycats and

      Yeah, I completely agree. And we’re going to try to expand and improve our messaging on this front.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. mamadero‏ @mamadero 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @dgeb @wycats and

      When you say “we” who are you referring to?

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    6. Dan Gebhardt‏ @dgeb 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @mamadero @wycats and

      Both the core + data teams. The central messaging is that, while ED will remain the default, it is not required (and other solutions are not discouraged). And the data team is focusing on making ED more modular and lightweight, with stronger primitives.

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    7. Oli Griffiths‏ @oligriffiths 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @dgeb @mamadero and

      I’m glad to hear it. ED is awesome, but the docs make assumptions that you will be using it. I put some thoughts down here https://gist.github.com/oligriffiths/cff30253e2c2d7534494e6f11679fc7d … lmk what you think.

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    8. Dan Gebhardt‏ @dgeb 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @oligriffiths @mamadero and

      Thanks Oli. I think that’s a reasonable take and I largely agree with your points (although there are also pros to bundling a simpler default ED without adapters / serializers). I’ll definitely share this with the team!

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    9. Oli Griffiths‏ @oligriffiths 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @dgeb @mamadero and

      Great. I think some form of simplified data persistence might be a good default. Ember already has model hooks but it’s not clear the boundaries between that and ED.

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    10. Dan Gebhardt‏ @dgeb 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @oligriffiths @mamadero and

      I agree that that there is some implicit behavior that should be made more explicit. Muddy boundaries don’t help the messaging.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @dgeb @oligriffiths and

      I think that as we move towards running model hooks every time, at least a simple identity map will be needed to avoid footguns. But I think we can keep the mental model reduced to an identity map (and one you could remove if you want).

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        1. Ryan Plans ExtraLife‏ @RyanTablada 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @dgeb and

          Are you thinking something like and @ember/data-core to match @ember/core

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        1. Oli Griffiths‏ @oligriffiths 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @wycats @dgeb and

          Seems reasonable to me.

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