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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Dec 2017

    Let's make 2018 "make programming more accessible to people not already doing it" year.

    7:55 AM - 26 Dec 2017
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      1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Dec 2017

        Less "forcing them to think about", more "making an easy onramp for learning and understanding"

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      2. Anne-Gaelle Colom‏ @agcolom 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        I would also encourage all educators to avoid foo bar examples and replace them with concrete meaningful ones that everyone can relate to.

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      3. Tamara Nelson-Fromm‏ @tamaraniac 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @agcolom @wycats

        THIS so much. Foo bar can easily be replaced with meaningful words that can add to learning.

        1 reply 2 retweets 8 likes
      4. Graham Wilkinson‏ @GWilkinson74 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @tamaraniac @agcolom @wycats

        Definitely, screw foo bar!!

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      5. Jon‏ @ahoy_jon 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @GWilkinson74 @tamaraniac and

        What if you want to teach combinators ?

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      6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ahoy_jon @GWilkinson74 and

        What about combinators requires foo/bar?

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      7. Jon‏ @ahoy_jon 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats @GWilkinson74 and

        They don't, the key idea is they only manipulate the structure. Maybe a b c, x y z, f g h are better in this case anyway.

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      8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ahoy_jon @GWilkinson74 and

        Can you give an example? When I explain specific combinators I can almost always find a real world example.

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      9. Jon‏ @ahoy_jon 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats @GWilkinson74 and

        The simple ones are compose, juxt, partial, curry, uncurry, then there is Y and U. If you find real world example for U, that would be nice !

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      2. Ruslan Prokopchuk‏ @northern_witch 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Could we make programs more accessible to people first, please? Even if it raises entry bar in programming.

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @northern_witch

        I don't think these are in conflict. Quite the contrary.

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      4. Ruslan Prokopchuk‏ @northern_witch 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Agree. But both goals are vague, and have weird implementations. Good ones are inside intersection of both.

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      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @northern_witch

        Totally agree.

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      2. Sihui Huang‏ @sihui_io 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        And to make it less intimidating for those just got started.

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sihui_io

        Yes!

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      2. Tamas Rev‏ @tamasrev 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Define accessible ;) Lots of ppl are programming w/o being aware of it. E.g. excel macros, vb snippets, short SQL selects. What about careers? What about jobs w/ reasonable deadlines?

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @tamasrev

        I mean making it easy for people programming without knowing it to program in other languages. And reasonable deadlines and low stress is of course very important and something we should all be thinking about. L

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      2. Ranbir Chawla‏ @TheRanbirChawla 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Before I suggest/comment I’d like to know what you perceive the barriers to be. Where would we start? What is the end goals ?

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @TheRanbirChawla

        I think there's already a lot of people working on this problem, and the best thing to do is to contribute and amplify those efforts.

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      2. Rémy  🤖‏ @Xowap 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        too late for me, I've been doing it too long and can't see what lacks to beginners anymore :'(

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Xowap

        Then at least be empathetic to people claiming to be working on making your favorite programming language more accessible.

        1 reply 2 retweets 8 likes
      4. Rémy  🤖‏ @Xowap 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Totally, and I try to explain to beginners too. But it feels like explaining the geopolitical situation of a season 10 episode of Stargate SG-1, just so much to catch up

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