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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2017

    The thing that really bugs me about the @sama perspective is that it sharply reframes the power dynamics. Instead of "some people who feel attacked by bigotry are pushing back" we get "the person spewing the bigotry is under attack for 'heresy'"

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      2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2017

        And the second framing is asking people who want to push back against systemically fucked up excuses for bad behavior to tone it down. To leave space for the people propagating the excuses to innovate.

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2017

        And somehow, the argument twists itself into a pretzel of asking people not to say things they believe in order to avoid creating an environment where people can't say what they believe.

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      4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2017

        So they end up believing that we need to tolerate a belief in "biological inferiority", but we can't handle the targets of that bigotry pushing back.

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      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2017

        Again, it's just a complete rewriting of the power dynamics, but the rewriting is so complete that it's not even always easy to see it.

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      6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2017

        Good heuristic: if you're telling the targets of an attack (and their friends) to tone down to make space for the ideas of an attacker, you've lost the plot.

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      2. Collin Miller ❁‏ @collintmiller 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats @sama

        I think that people who make these arguments are trying to create a oversimplified version of fairness. It is suspicious that this kind of fairness tends to be pitched when people are dehumanizing others.

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @collintmiller @sama

        Yeah, there's very little of the same kinds of arguments pitched to justify activism. In fact, these arguments are often used to ask activists to tone down "for the greater good"

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      2. Pawan Dubey‏ @thepawandubey 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wycats @sama

        I'm glad that he's getting the backlash he deserves but I'd be even more glad if people didn't try to deconstruct his views if it was something very intellectual. It's uninformed, misguided balderdash.

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      3. Pawan Dubey‏ @thepawandubey 16 Dec 2017
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        Uninformed because he thinks that the world is filled with well informed, unbiased people without prejudice. This can't be further from the truth. Misguided because he thinks that there's some kind of dichotomy between allowing progressive views and not allowing hate speech.

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      4. Pawan Dubey‏ @thepawandubey 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @thepawandubey @wycats @sama

        You can have a scientifically driven society without having to entertain thoughts like "gay people are evil". We got past that stage of civilization long ago. Anybody who still engages in such a discourse is actively distracting the society from the path to progress, not helping

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      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @thepawandubey @sama

        Yeah, I tried very hard to avoid "replying to his ideas" - I tried to do a critical analysis of why his post sounds like ideas when it's not.

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