In practice (and I know first-hand), there is not an important distinction between MoCo governance and Firefox governance. I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing.
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Replying to @gavinsharp
I agree with your empirical statement. I think it's a bad thing. That was the point of my original tweet. I think you're on shaky ground to say that there's no connection between MoCo being the same as Firefox leadership and a MoCo ad being delivered through SHIELD.
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Replying to @wycats
I am not claiming there’s no connection. I don’t think the “ad” was a bad idea in itself (but execution could’ve been better). Being able to arrange co-marketing deals with other companies is a good example of the benefits of MoCo’s influence on Firefox, IMO.
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Replying to @gavinsharp
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You keep expanding the scope of my objection to turn it into a straw man.https://twitter.com/wycats/status/941928685824745472 …
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Replying to @wycats @gavinsharp
I have no objection to comarketing in principle and think things like search deals are healthy. I'm objecting to the fact that it seems MoCo management has full control over the entire technical infrastructure and can bypass the project's leadership to secretly ship things.
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Replying to @wycats @gavinsharp
That is just empirically what happened here, and I think it's not a very extreme position, nor an attack on a healthy role for MoCo, to say it's a problem.
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Replying to @wycats
I doubt there was anyone in “project leadership” that wasn’t aware and accepting of this.
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Replying to @gavinsharp @wycats
And I don’t think it was done secretly, either.
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Replying to @gavinsharp
I was at the Mozilla All-Hands when this happened (I'm a core team member of rust and therefore contributor to Mozilla). There was a great deal of surprise. And it was absolutely a secret. Overtly.
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Replying to @wycats
Ah, you mean “keeping the surprise”. Sure, I can see that. But “secret from broad Mozilla community” is different than “secret from Firefox leadership”, is all I’m saying.
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I'm willing to believe top Firefox leadership, including those not employees at MoCo, knew. But: 1. I kind of doubt it 2. I have seen no evidence of it
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