I don't appreciate the "nerds" bucketing and I think you're ignoring why people are upset. Firefox silently delivered an ad to people without talking to anyone. Lots of people use Firefox because they trust the org and its leadership.
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Replying to @wycats
(I’m a nerd too - was not meant pejoratively) Legit to be upset about the co-marketing (although I think it didn’t actually affect many users? I didn’t see it). But that’s not the initial argument you seemed to be making AIUI!
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Replying to @gavinsharp
The initial argument was that Mozilla Corp should not be able to hijack a mechanism designed by the Firefox team to do useful technical (including design etc of course) experiments for marketing without talking to anyone first.
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Replying to @wycats
In practice (and I know first-hand), there is not an important distinction between MoCo governance and Firefox governance. I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing.
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Replying to @gavinsharp
I agree with your empirical statement. I think it's a bad thing. That was the point of my original tweet. I think you're on shaky ground to say that there's no connection between MoCo being the same as Firefox leadership and a MoCo ad being delivered through SHIELD.
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Replying to @wycats
I am not claiming there’s no connection. I don’t think the “ad” was a bad idea in itself (but execution could’ve been better). Being able to arrange co-marketing deals with other companies is a good example of the benefits of MoCo’s influence on Firefox, IMO.
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You keep expanding the scope of my objection to turn it into a straw man.https://twitter.com/wycats/status/941928685824745472 …
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Replying to @wycats
Not my intent! I agree with “someone could’ve thought more about how it’d be perceived”. But, there are downsides to catering too much to the the Mozilla community echo chamber, too. Big picture, folks outraged on Reddit/HN are not as significant as they think. Can be paralyzing.
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Replying to @gavinsharp
You're pattern matching "community" into something I don't intend. I don't care about the Reddit echo chamber. I'm just part of a lot of large open source projects and a larger role for external contributors in leadership than what Firefox has is healthy.
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Replying to @wycats
I was referring to the Mozilla contributor community being overly concerned about HN/Reddit posters, to be clear. Something I saw happen (and participated in) when I was an active Mozilla community member.
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And I'm not saying anyone needs to worry about Reddit. I'm saying a cross-company leadership team (as originally envisioned by the mission, https://www-archive.mozilla.org/mission.html ) would be a healthier situation than Firefox leadership = MoCo execs.
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Replying to @wycats
Maybe! I’m not convinced, but respect your viewpoint
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