I don't appreciate the "nerds" bucketing and I think you're ignoring why people are upset. Firefox silently delivered an ad to people without talking to anyone. Lots of people use Firefox because they trust the org and its leadership.
If "leadership" literally means the top echelons of MoCo, that doesn't mean anything. But certainly top technical leaders, even within MoCo, were caught off guard.
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People are always caught off guard (internal comms are hard), but it’s usually people not directly involved with Firefox product dev (again I speak from experience)
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I work on projects with cross-company teams (including Rust, a Mozilla project) and these kinds of project structures are not in conflict with keeping things that need to be kept under wraps under wraps.
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I mean, we can keep abstractly arguing about whether "some MoCo control" is needed to "move forward" but that obscures what happened. Why was this particular mechanism needed to "move forward". Why wasn't a website + opt in addon sufficient?
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Why is it a threat to Mozilla's ability to "move forward" to structure things in a more opt in way? Did Mr. Robot demand this structure as a condition of doing the deal. Did MoCo leadership determine that deals precisely like this (forced install) are needed strategically?
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I really doubt it. The "you community zealots don't understand the reality of business" framing is just not really understanding the nature of the critique (btw I'm the CTO of a small business as my day job; I'm not a zealot)
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I think you’re putting up the strawman now
I dont think you’re a zealot, and I value community and open governance. But as I said upthread, I don’t think this particular case was primarily a failure of governance. Happy to agree to disagree and leave it at that! -
Fair enough on all fronts. And apologies for getting straw-manny on you.
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