If people had figured out the mechanism, yeah. "Firefox added an add-on invisibly and it didn't show up on my add-on list" pretty bad.
That is just empirically what happened here, and I think it's not a very extreme position, nor an attack on a healthy role for MoCo, to say it's a problem.
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I doubt there was anyone in “project leadership” that wasn’t aware and accepting of this.
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If "leadership" literally means the top echelons of MoCo, that doesn't mean anything. But certainly top technical leaders, even within MoCo, were caught off guard.
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People are always caught off guard (internal comms are hard), but it’s usually people not directly involved with Firefox product dev (again I speak from experience)
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I work on projects with cross-company teams (including Rust, a Mozilla project) and these kinds of project structures are not in conflict with keeping things that need to be kept under wraps under wraps.
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I mean, we can keep abstractly arguing about whether "some MoCo control" is needed to "move forward" but that obscures what happened. Why was this particular mechanism needed to "move forward". Why wasn't a website + opt in addon sufficient?
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Why is it a threat to Mozilla's ability to "move forward" to structure things in a more opt in way? Did Mr. Robot demand this structure as a condition of doing the deal. Did MoCo leadership determine that deals precisely like this (forced install) are needed strategically?
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I really doubt it. The "you community zealots don't understand the reality of business" framing is just not really understanding the nature of the critique (btw I'm the CTO of a small business as my day job; I'm not a zealot)
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I think you’re putting up the strawman now
I dont think you’re a zealot, and I value community and open governance. But as I said upthread, I don’t think this particular case was primarily a failure of governance. Happy to agree to disagree and leave it at that! - 1 more reply
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