When people talk about wanting Firefox to have an open structure that treats Mozilla and non-Mozilla people the same, they are talking about things like https://github.com/gregglind/addon-wr/issues/36 …. There is no good reason why "sideloading an ad to FF" needs to be a thing Mozilla Corp is able to do.
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I'm not one of the people flipping tables and telling people to uninstall. But I am saying that it's a big red flag that the Mozilla Corp hierarchy was able to circumvent the Firefox project's leadership to silently deliver an ad. And using the SHIELD mechanism made it worse.
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(I’m a nerd too - was not meant pejoratively) Legit to be upset about the co-marketing (although I think it didn’t actually affect many users? I didn’t see it). But that’s not the initial argument you seemed to be making AIUI!
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The initial argument was that Mozilla Corp should not be able to hijack a mechanism designed by the Firefox team to do useful technical (including design etc of course) experiments for marketing without talking to anyone first.
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In practice (and I know first-hand), there is not an important distinction between MoCo governance and Firefox governance. I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing.
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I agree with your empirical statement. I think it's a bad thing. That was the point of my original tweet. I think you're on shaky ground to say that there's no connection between MoCo being the same as Firefox leadership and a MoCo ad being delivered through SHIELD.
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I am not claiming there’s no connection. I don’t think the “ad” was a bad idea in itself (but execution could’ve been better). Being able to arrange co-marketing deals with other companies is a good example of the benefits of MoCo’s influence on Firefox, IMO.
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You keep expanding the scope of my objection to turn it into a straw man.https://twitter.com/wycats/status/941928685824745472 …
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I have no objection to comarketing in principle and think things like search deals are healthy. I'm objecting to the fact that it seems MoCo management has full control over the entire technical infrastructure and can bypass the project's leadership to secretly ship things.
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That is just empirically what happened here, and I think it's not a very extreme position, nor an attack on a healthy role for MoCo, to say it's a problem.
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