I rarely differ from your opinions on community issues. I see a bungle here and community governance is reasonable, but I don't see it as an absolute requirement. Mozilla has always worked on a social mission. They goof up and correct. I have trouble with outrage at the mistakes.
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I said "rather frustrated" not "outraged"
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Certainly. Sorry; I projected some of the comments on you there. My larger point is that there is a certain amount of trust and latitude I give Mozilla-the-org given their track record, and there is some vision of the field that the leadership has which doesn't always translate.
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I think you are right to be frustrated. I am just not sure about the call that all of these decisions should go to community. Some/most, sure. All, probably not. I think your view is quite healthy. The "this is the last straw; I'm uninstalling" view seems hyperbolic.
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I think community is almost always wiser than any given person or small group. There is a tricky balance here where my personal position is: Mozilla has the right to do whatever they want with Firefox, and they are usually wise enough to keep the agenda and community in tune.
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This case seems to be a mistake that has now gotten plenty of feedback. I expect to see A) better internal guidelines, B) better information on what's upcoming/shipped, C) a better input channel to guide Studies direction. Those are "soft" governance changes I can get with.
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The "rule" I wanted was much narrower than it might have seemed. I'm saying that technical tools like telemetry should be used as part of a community governance process. I am not saying that things like search deals should be governed by the community, for example.
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We are aligned. All is the right with my world again. :-)
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someone from mr. robot used a hole in firefox to deliver an ad for the show? w00t, guerilla marketing at its best. (also, fix it)
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The hole is that Mozilla Corporate approved it and made it happen technically without approval of the community governance.
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alright, damn. even google doesn't deliver extra ads just because you use chrome (facebook on mobile does, and it's annoying AF). what the hell.
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if this is something supposedly the only free browser (the only one "putting the users' interest first", yadda yadda) can get away with. we're officially screwed.
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Mozilla punches self in face -- news at 11.
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Don’t act like an opportunistic, butt-hurt ex-employee, Brendan. You contributed to those self-inflicted punches back then.
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If you mean 3/26-4/3/14, no: “crisis PR” was run by the Chair, not me. Previously I was eng not mktg, but my point here is more recent unforced errors. I’m an actual founding member of mozilla dot org. I put 16 years into the project. I have friends still there. I expect better.
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