One the job training is fine if you expect to be programming for only 5-10 years. A 30-50 year career requires a foundation that you are unlikely to get on the job. If you love programming, get your CS degree.
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Rather than Uber-like disruption to save the day, NA should rather finally get a public education system that actually works. This discussion wouldn't be come back that often if degrees were affordable to begin with. This is the thing people should be fighting about.
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Not everyone can afford to start their programming career with four years of unpaid, highly time consuming work. This is especially true about people coming to programming as an adult.
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My mother tried to switch careers here in France and failed to do so, so I'll agree with you on that. Still, US degrees costing more per year than what you need to survive during that period of time sounds utterly insane to me.
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State schools don't, but you still need to do schoolwork instead of paid work.
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Yes, I think part of Allen's instinct here is if there's backlash against CS gatekeeping he doesn't want us to throw the CS fundamentals baby out with the bathwater, and I agree with that completely.
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Totally agree. I'm objecting only to the idea that CS education can only be acquired in the context of a formal academic education.
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Yep, totally agree.
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