Note how this page qualifies with "maybe" - the same way I qualify with "could" and "may" and "I believe". I'm not trying to establish right or wrong, just sharing my personal experience. If you can't relate, it's because you had a different experience. I respect that 
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Replying to @mindplaydk @wycats
No, because this is something I've actually studied my position is based on more than just my own assumptions
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Replying to @bethcodes @wycats
How do you get from "I believe" and "in my experience" to me making "factual assertions"? You're way out of line. Frankly, your need to provide black and white answers to human issues is harmful to your industry.
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Replying to @mindplaydk @bethcodes
Human education is a well-studied field, and your assertions have consistently failed very basic tests of known-to-work pedagogy. Your current rhetorical personal attacks aren't helping you either. Can we slow down and get back to discussing concrete pedagogical questions?
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Replying to @wycats @bethcodes
I'm not a teacher, I don't claim to know the right way to teach. I'm debating what to teach, not how to teach it. If that makes me "wrong" according to your interpretations of some paper, then fine, I'll settle for being "wrong".
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Replying to @mindplaydk @bethcodes
Is there any verifiable or falsifiable authority you will accept about effective teaching styles?
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Replying to @wycats @bethcodes
As said, I'm not a teacher. To me, this discussion is about what to teach, not how to teach it.
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Replying to @mindplaydk @bethcodes
The model I try to use (that makes the most sense to me) is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_development … It basically says you progressively go from what people can do w/ guidance to helping them do it w/o guidance. Your suggestions front-load too much.
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A related learning model I use is https://terrytao.wordpress.com/career-advice/there%E2%80%99s-more-to-mathematics-than-rigour-and-proofs/ … Which basically describes a fuzzy beginner model, moving to a rigorous intermediate model, moving to enough sophistication to be able to inform the beginner model.
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Replying to @wycats @bethcodes
I think where we differ is you view languages like Ruby or JS as being simpler because they're apparently easier to get started with - but they are in fact far more complex than the stricter languages, and it takes much, much longer to learn all their hidden details.
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"it takes a long time to learn the entire thing" is only a problem if there is a way to download all of the information directly into someone's brain up front.
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