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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 29 Nov 2017

      After playing a little bit with QBasic when I was a kid, I was given a K&R C book. My takeaway: programming is not for me. I didn't look at programming seriously again until I was 23. This article is terrible advice.https://www.zeroequalsfalse.press/2017/11/29/c/ 

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    2. Francisco Lopes‏ @pepper_chico 29 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      Both positions are equally bad, it's not C that makes programming good, notmr is it that makes it bad too! You may have not enjoyed K&R, but others do can! It's not an universal truth.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 29 Nov 2017
      Replying to @pepper_chico

      I didn't say nobody can enjoy K&R. I'm pushing back on the closing line: "So, if you’re interested in programming, C is a great place to start." For a lot of people, C will be the beginning and end of their experience.

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        1. Francisco Lopes‏ @pepper_chico 29 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          I agree. And for others, as they are commenting, it was indeed a great place to start, so... IMO, basically a matter of taste, or how it happened.

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        2. Champ Clark‏ @dabeave666 30 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @pepper_chico

          Maybe we can agree K&R is a shit book to start with C. I directly benefited from learning basic C. It made concepts in other languages easier to pick up IMO. YMMV.

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        3. Francisco Lopes‏ @pepper_chico 30 Nov 2017
          Replying to @dabeave666 @wycats

          I can't. As I said already, that it's shitty is not an universal truth. Others have told already it was a great book for them. And I still find decade old C programmers that still fail "meaning of declarators" to this day, which is succinctly covered by ithttps://stackoverflow.com/a/13076065/1000282 …

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        4. Champ Clark‏ @dabeave666 30 Nov 2017
          Replying to @pepper_chico @wycats

          I didn't say it was a bad book. I don't think it's suited very well for beginners because it's decades old & isn't very well designed for beginners. There a good bit if K&R nostalgia . I found it to be a good reference but difficult as a bigger. YMMV

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        5. Champ Clark‏ @dabeave666 30 Nov 2017
          Replying to @dabeave666 @pepper_chico @wycats

          Difficult for beginners.... Argh

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        6. Francisco Lopes‏ @pepper_chico 30 Nov 2017
          Replying to @dabeave666 @wycats

          I still view it as relative thing. We have an IQ and taste spectrum. Some people really simple can't stand usual beginners ceremony. Or it can be great at the hands of a good professor. So the beginner is using it as source indirectly. Etc.

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        2. russell‏ @rpjohnst 29 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @pepper_chico

          just giving people options is enough, imo- if we force everyone to start with not-C plenty of other will give up instead

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        3. russell‏ @rpjohnst 29 Nov 2017
          Replying to @rpjohnst @wycats @pepper_chico

          if someone's goal is to write gba games (real example) and they are in a place to enjoy k&r, giving them something else is counterproductive

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        4. Francisco Lopes‏ @pepper_chico 29 Nov 2017
          Replying to @rpjohnst @wycats

          When I was at school, I used C++ in real DOS mode and learned about device interruptions and graphics mode on my own. I wanted to do 3D math equations, and did it, with mouse interactions and all. I also had VB with DB and HTML/JS, mostly boring, _for me_.

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        5. Francisco Lopes‏ @pepper_chico 29 Nov 2017
          Replying to @pepper_chico @rpjohnst @wycats

          I didn't came to touch K&R at the time. Better to stop these stupid language wars and ask your children what they want achieve through programming. I wanted robots, I wanted 3D, I didn't want web pages and database.

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        1. Vaibhav Gadodia‏ @whoisvaibhav 29 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @pepper_chico

          Yeah, that closing line is terrible. Programming is not about a language. Accompanying theory about data structures, logical constructs, etc are completely required. And a lot of programming can be done without linked lists and pointers.

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