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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      It would allow you to fetch a graph of modules (with names) in order from leaves, and execute the leaves as they come. Today, if you have a -> b -> c and you push c, b, then a, you still have to wait for a to evaluate c, because top import in a is what kicks off eval.

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      In a large graph, this means that you can't start executing at all until you have an entire subgraph starting from the root, which is deeply suboptimal compared to topsorting the modules and evalling the leaves upward.

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      Suboptimal as in: you would notice this in a big way.

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    4. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @MattWilcox

      To check we're on the same page, you're saying that: If 'c' changes the background color of body to red, you'd expect the bg to become red if <link rel=modulepreload href=a>?

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      I'm saying that yes, but (1) maybe modulepreeval, and (2) not because I want that side effect, but just to allow interleaving of fetch/eval and control latency.

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    6. Matthew Phillips‏ @matthewcp 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      I think you are saying you want module loading, but without the deterministic execution, right? AMD worked this way IIRC.

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @matthewcp @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      Fine, I'll write it up. Probably will be noticed in a year or two ;) #StoryOfMyLife

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    8. Matthew Phillips‏ @matthewcp 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      So I take this to mean this is *not* what you're after? I'm really trying to understand. I *do* see the appeal of non-deterministic execution.

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    9. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @matthewcp @wycats and

      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MJK0zigKbH4WFCKcHsWwFAzpU_DZppEAOpYJlIW7M7E/view … ?

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    10. Matthew Phillips‏ @matthewcp 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @bradleymeck @wycats and

      I hadn't seen this, thanks! So it sounds like there is room to get an attribute added in the future for the ASAP strategy. Probably too late to make async work this way I would guess...

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @matthewcp @bradleymeck and

      There's just a huge difference between "start evaluating once you have all modules from the top" and "start evaluating once you have the leaves" Such a huge difference that once people notice it they will be shocked the design works the way it does.

      10:56 AM - 16 Nov 2017
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