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    1. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @MattWilcox

      Yeah, I want to get a feel for "best use of H2 push" vs "best use of preload".

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      I currently think of H2 push as being ~appcache. It has all these interactions with the rest of the spec that you can completely avoid by doing something like SW + WebSockets. It just feels like a pretty big thing when we have really good primitives now.

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      Also a pretty annoying issue: If you H2 push some modules, you still can't evaluate leaves until you reach them by parsing from the entry point, which means you need all of the modules before you can start executing. We have no "here's a module and plz eagerly evaluate" in H2.

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    4. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @MattWilcox

      Yeah, and since it's a network-level feature, it can't do that. https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/5762805915451392 … is in Canary tho!

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      Does this just load or also eagerly evaluate?

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    6. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @MattWilcox

      It does everything short of executing it.

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      So close! So close!

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    8. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @MattWilcox

      If it also executed, what would be the difference between it and <script type="module">?

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      It would allow you to fetch a graph of modules (with names) in order from leaves, and execute the leaves as they come. Today, if you have a -> b -> c and you push c, b, then a, you still have to wait for a to evaluate c, because top import in a is what kicks off eval.

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      In a large graph, this means that you can't start executing at all until you have an entire subgraph starting from the root, which is deeply suboptimal compared to topsorting the modules and evalling the leaves upward.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

      Suboptimal as in: you would notice this in a big way.

      8:41 AM - 16 Nov 2017
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        2. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 16 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @MattWilcox

          To check we're on the same page, you're saying that: If 'c' changes the background color of body to red, you'd expect the bg to become red if <link rel=modulepreload href=a>?

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Nov 2017
          Replying to @jaffathecake @MattWilcox

          I'm saying that yes, but (1) maybe modulepreeval, and (2) not because I want that side effect, but just to allow interleaving of fetch/eval and control latency.

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        4. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 16 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @MattWilcox

          Jake Archibald Retweeted Matthew Phillips

          hmm, I agree with https://twitter.com/matthewcp/status/931200843692625920 … then

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          Matthew Phillips @matthewcp
          Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake @MattWilcox
          You can add script type=module tags for b and c.
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